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Old 01-10-2006, 11:04 PM   #31
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$2000.00
What kind of buggy are you looking at? I guess if you add electronics (radio, rx battery, kit, engine, wheels, starter box, glow plug, and fuel. you May need $2000. Maybe and that is a big maybe.
If you are just starting out I guess the RTR will be a good start but the radios, servos and the hand start roto tool is not very good. The best way to start out would be get used stuff. That way you save half.
Yeah thats what Im talking abotu.By the time you buy everything 2000.00 is conservative.I had that in all my onroad stuff,easily.
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He said he is just starting in offroad. If Im not sure about something, no way will I throw down 2K just to find out.

True $2000. is easy if you are already big into RC racing and want to jump into Offroad. I know I have at $2000. in 8th scale alone.
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if your worried about $2000 to get you started then racing is not for you. a race meet would cost $100 conservatively.. with race fees, tires, fuel, wear on engine, and other expendibles like clutch, shock oil, diff oil, and spare parts.

lots of people start out with a rtr, thinking they can race on a budget and they are going to dominate and win, but then quickly find out they are uncompetitive and need the better equipement (yes you do need the top of the line remote and servos and engines to compete or at least better than rtr gear) ... some people then decide to upgrade, but most, quite within a few months. from the time i been in the hobby the group of friends that started when i started 2 years ago, about 7 of us, all have quit except me
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:47 AM   #34
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$2000.00
What kind of buggy are you looking at? I guess if you add electronics (radio, rx battery, kit, engine, wheels, starter box, glow plug, and fuel. you May need $2000. Maybe and that is a big maybe.
If you are just starting out I guess the RTR will be a good start but the radios, servos and the hand start roto tool is not very good. The best way to start out would be get used stuff. That way you save half.

well let's see-

Jammin X1 CR Pro- $500
JR XS3 pro- $250 ---- had it already
Spare RS310 reciever-$75
JR 9000s servo- $110
JR Z650 servo- $45
2 1200 MAH reciever packs- $50
charger for reciever packs- $25
2 pair Panther K-dragon tires- $32
2 sets panther medium molded inserts- $20
2 sets panther dish wheels- $20
Ofna starterbox rtr- $100
charger for 12v gel cell- $15
Ofna ultimate car hauler- $125 -had it already
Paints for body- $15
Nova based P5 engine- $279
JP-2 pipe (hard anno.)- $75
assorted oils- $50
Amb transponder- $85
Assorted consumables- $30
1 gal fuel- $28

+TAX



That's $2045.....


Then accross the course of a year club racing at least by-weekly (assumptions)

14 sets Panther tires- $224
8 sets panther inserts- $80
14 sets wheels- $140
Consumable oils- $125
other assorted consumables- $75
Hop-ups and replacements- $200
Fuel- $120
race and practice feels- $540

+ Taxes

---$1562


For a grand total of $3602......


However compair it to sean racing and you probably only come out $300-$500 more per year...... you figure a racing speedo, motors, and batts way outprice a nitro engine, fuel and pipe, foam tires wear faster.... they you chunk and throw away at least 4-6 sets a year.... You figure

Sedan-$400
Radio $250 (same)
servo $110 (same)
2 sets of foams $45
motor $45
speedo $170
6 sets of batts $360
hauler bag $125 (same)
Comp. charger $170
Paints for body $15 (same)
Body $25
Amb transponder $85

+tax



Initially-$1900

over the course of a year-

Foams- $396
motors-$ 180
batts- $180
Bodies- $200
Paint for bodies- $90
consumable fluids- $100
parts replacement- $200
RTace and practice fees $540 (same)

+tax


total $1967

Grand total- $3867


Wow a $255 difference per year (in favor of 1/8th scale!!!!!)and only $150 more initial investment for 1/8th buggy..... and you figure only a $100 more intital investment for a truggy.....


Who says 1/8th is way more expensive.!!!!!!!! ...
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Hmm...there is no need to spend $2000 to start racing with something that will finish a race...

Kyosho SP2 - $620
Airtronics MX3 (no need for extra receiver) - $100
2xFutaba s9350 servos - $200
Novarossi 3 port Engine - $180
Jammin JP2 pipe - $65
1200 receiver pack (only need one) - $20
peak charger - $35
2 cans of paint - $12
starter box with 2 stick packs - $80
1 set Pro-line Crimefighters (come with molded foam now) - $38
wheels come in kit.
misc tools and glue - $30
glo starter - $20

$1400 and you could save another $120 with the Jammin or stock Mugen kit. Actually the stock Mugen kit comes with Crimefighter tires and the Jammin Pro tires are okay for most tracks. You could probably pick up a good used FM computer radio for $50-75 instead of a new one at $100. You could also use the very raceable (and easy to tune) OS RG engine for $110 in place of the Nova.

A RTR Mayhem costs about $550 and has an FM radio too...
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Hmm...there is no need to spend $2000 to start racing with something that will finish a race...

Kyosho SP2 - $620
Airtronics MX3 (no need for extra receiver) - $100
2xFutaba s9350 servos - $200
Novarossi 3 port Engine - $180
Jammin JP2 pipe - $65
1200 receiver pack (only need one) - $20
peak charger - $35
2 cans of paint - $12
starter box with 2 stick packs - $80
1 set Pro-line Crimefighters (come with molded foam now) - $38
wheels come in kit.
misc tools and glue - $30
glo starter - $20

$1400 and you could save another $120 with the Jammin or stock Mugen kit. Actually the stock Mugen kit comes with Crimefighter tires and the Jammin Pro tires are okay for most tracks. You could probably pick up a good used FM computer radio for $50-75 instead of a new one at $100. You could also use the very raceable (and easy to tune) OS RG engine for $110 in place of the Nova.

A RTR Mayhem costs about $550 and has an FM radio too...
Everyone makes a good point here, but what I cannot understand, why would you buy a $620 buggy, basically the Ferrari of buggies, and choose a $100 dollar radio and a $110 engine!?

I know it will work, but to me that is like putting a Honda 4 cylinder engine into a 360 Modena chassis, the 360 (and mbx5, sp2, xb8, and x1cr) was built to withstand the HP levels of ferrari engine; the car was designed to be driven at a certain level to get the suspension and drivetrain working correctly together.

Don't get me wrong, like I said before, it will work, but I don't see the point of cheaping out on key components.
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Maybe someone can answer this but how much more use do you get out of an M8 or M11 feature wise that you actually use over say an MX-3s or XS3? Are there certain must haves in those higher end radios for racing that you don't get in the other grades?

If anyone has experiences with a matrix please post.
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I agree with all the above.
I guess the big question is if you already have the basic equipment or do youu have to buy from scratch.
Thing that you would have know matter what type of racing is the basics
Radio
at least one good servo
batter charger
tools

Thats about the min. of $500. if you got a few things used

Now it boils down to get the car and the stuff to race and be on a top level. Perviding you have raced for a few years.
At that point you can make it less then $2000. everything above is BLING BLING.

I know of 3 HIGH end 8th scale kits that exceed over $600.00. Other then that you can get a great pro kit around $500. I race in Region 5 area and the tracks that I go to are no monster tracks. I dont think you need the MONSTER $300++ engine. A smooth line and good setup out ways the HP. That part comes cheap.
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Why the $100 radio? Because a $100 radio with a $620 car is better than a $300 radio with a $400 car. Seriously you only need FM, reliability, and end point adjustments on the radio. Heck the Futaba 3PM can use the HRS mode like the 3PK. I use an M11 because it is comfortable and I like the vibrating grip so I know when to pit. It is really not necessary to have all the other stuff. Most of the $100 computer radios have exponential too which I do not recommend using.

That $110 engine is awful fast on short tracks and quite frankly a new racer needs to learn how to use bottom end power. The top end of a P5 will get the new guy in trouble. But you might notice that I mentioned the $110 engine in the same paragraph with the $500 cars. Generally it is good to learn on a cheap engine that is not too expensive to replace. The chassis will get used with more than one engine so why short change yourself? Saving $100 on the chassis is not much in the long run. You will spend that in tires and fuel in a month and the resale on a $600 car is higher than a $500 car also.
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Hmm...there is no need to spend $2000 to start racing with something that will finish a race...

Kyosho SP2 - $620
Airtronics MX3 (no need for extra receiver) - $100
2xFutaba s9350 servos - $200
Novarossi 3 port Engine - $180
Jammin JP2 pipe - $65
1200 receiver pack (only need one) - $20
peak charger - $35
2 cans of paint - $12
starter box with 2 stick packs - $80
1 set Pro-line Crimefighters (come with molded foam now) - $38
wheels come in kit.
misc tools and glue - $30
glo starter - $20

$1400 and you could save another $120 with the Jammin or stock Mugen kit. Actually the stock Mugen kit comes with Crimefighter tires and the Jammin Pro tires are okay for most tracks. You could probably pick up a good used FM computer radio for $50-75 instead of a new one at $100. You could also use the very raceable (and easy to tune) OS RG engine for $110 in place of the Nova.

A RTR Mayhem costs about $550 and has an FM radio too...

I'm assuming this is partially in responce to my post..... Both set-ups are from my personal experience, the buggy is this year and the sedan was last year......
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For the price and a fast buggy the Mayhem is the way to go.
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