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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 06-06-2018, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bobf24
are you rebuilding it with all the same parts every time? You could've flat spotted the balls the first time by over tightening it. If that's the case you can rebuild it a million times but unless you change the balls its never going to be smooth.
Tried new diff ball and new thrust bearing, still the same. I have been racing toy cars since 1992 and have never had this happen.
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The EXOTEK Front Pivot Mount has been out for a while now and I was wondering what the verdict is? Are you guys using them?
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The EXOTEK Front Pivot Mount has been out for a while now and I was wondering what the verdict is? Are you guys using them?
I use it and like it...
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Any setups out there for carpet??
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I just got a 22-4 2.0
I got it used, but in excellent condition. This thing is sweet. I haven't raced in 5 years. I used to race 1/8th scale and was a team driver for Caster. I'm really excited to be back to racing. Looking forward to the next chapter of my racing. Starting fresh with a different class and brand of car. This should be a lot of fun. This weekend will be my first time on the track in years. I can't wait.

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I got to run the car today on the track. I'm very happy. It has lots of steering. The rear is a bit loose on power. It jumped great.
I'll tweak it a bit and get some more practice with it. I should run it in it's first race next month.
Great buggy.
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Can this MIP17065 "Super Diff" rebuild kit be used on the 22-4 ball diff if I use the TLR 22-4 diff rings?
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Originally Posted by jonski
Can this MIP17065 "Super Diff" rebuild kit be used on the 22-4 ball diff if I use the TLR 22-4 diff rings?
Sort of. One of the thrust bearing washers is "keyed" or stepped to fit the super diff (whatever you call it). I don't think it fits the 22-4 outdrive.

If you haven't bought the parts, just get a captured thrust bearing, and you can find the main diff balls on fleabay for cheap.


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Originally Posted by supertool28
I got to run the car today on the track. I'm very happy. It has lots of steering. The rear is a bit loose on power. It jumped great.
I'll tweak it a bit and get some more practice with it. I should run it in it's first race next month.
Great buggy.
Get the front and rear sway bar kits. You can do wonders with your steering with just sway bars.
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Well after taking apart and rebuilding my all new parts rear ball diff and having clicking issues, I have finally solved it. Frustrated, I gave it to a fellow racer who looked it over and his thoughts were the diff rings. He gave them a quick sanding and problem solved. I have never had this happen before, especially with all new parts. Just wanted to let everyone know if they come across this as well.
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I always sand the diff plates. put a piece of sand paper on a good flat surface and then scuff the plates up against it in kind of a swirly motion.
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This might be an obvious question but on the set up sheet it has a section for Bump Steer Ball stud - standard or low mount. What exactly is this referring to?
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Originally Posted by bobf24
This might be an obvious question but on the set up sheet it has a section for Bump Steer Ball stud - standard or low mount. What exactly is this referring to?
There are standard ball studs and low ball studs (the ball is lowered 1mm also refered to as short neck)

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Lowers a ball stud when you don't have shims left to take out.

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ahh ok thats makes sense why I couldn't figure out what adjustment on the car it was lol
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need some help, just purchased new 22-4 2.0, its ok to drive but not awesome, it seems to sway/dance on hard accel and could do with a tad more steering at low speed
we run on outdoor loose tracks and i have no idea how to sort either, i just fitted ball diffs fr and rr and its better but still off the pace. its running rear sway bar and now the ball diffs
other than that pretty std. thanks.
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