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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 12-08-2017, 07:42 AM
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I'm curious what is dated about a belt system? Although I'd like to see a spec 22-4
I only say dated, because that drive train was originally used Losi's first touring car, the street weapon, and I think that came out in the 90's?????
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Originally Posted by BucketheadJedi
I only say dated, because that drive train was originally used Losi's first touring car, the street weapon, and I think that came out in the 90's?????
Shaft drives are just as old a design. Belt drive is still the drivetrain of choice in 1/10 & 1/8 4wd on-road, where power, traction and load are the greatest.

Both work well, both have trade-offs.
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Originally Posted by BucketheadJedi
I only say dated, because that drive train was originally used Losi's first touring car, the street weapon, and I think that came out in the 90's?????
Not true. the XX-4 predated the SW. They made a TC from the 4wd buggy platform.

22-4 is an update version of the XX-4 for all intents and purposes but they used modern materials to make it much stronger and have been tweaking on that incredible design platform. I could see a spec version before a 3.0 but I don't know. 13.5 4wd buggy is growing all the time.
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Originally Posted by Casper
I could see a spec version before a 3.0 but I don't know. 13.5 4wd buggy is growing all the time.
Yeah, I was thinking something like thinner belt/pulley on the rear, the front/sides are thin enough. Revised/lightweight tunnels. Maybe stiffezel front pivot block for durability? The teardrop that mates into the chassis might work better if it was solid rather than hollow.

But I don't think the whole 4WD buggy market is big enough to support a mod and spec version. So maybe just some option parts.

Just a bunch of speculation.
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I think the 22-4 is a great platform! It would be great to see some weight savings for 13.5 and alterations to improve ease of maintenance, but overall I feel it is a solid car.
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Just because a car has some age doesn’t mean it still doesn’t work. Think the car is great
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If the diffs leak and oil gets on the belts, Do I have to replace the belts? Or is there a way to save them?
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Originally Posted by H.A.H.
If the diffs leak and oil gets on the belts, Do I have to replace the belts? Or is there a way to save them?
You can try and clean them off. I have had hit or miss luck but normally just replace them. I don't think silicone should affect the belts but why risk it.
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Originally Posted by Casper
Changes the CV pivot location and can affect how the system binds under load.

You either put it inside or leave it off. The hex will accommodate either.
Ok. What 1mm spacer/shim do you use? Part# or size?
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Ok. What 1mm spacer/shim do you use? Part# or size?
I don't run the shim most of the time.

They only come with the complete CVD kit (you should have got some with your kit as well)

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Originally Posted by H.A.H.
If the diffs leak and oil gets on the belts, Do I have to replace the belts? Or is there a way to save them?
Personally, I would not risk it and replace them. I have made the mistake of having a diff leak and not swapping the belt. The result was a belt snapping, and more work later.
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Originally Posted by Casper
You can try and clean them off. I have had hit or miss luck but normally just replace them. I don't think silicone should affect the belts but why risk it.
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Personally, I would not risk it and replace them. I have made the mistake of having a diff leak and not swapping the belt. The result was a belt snapping, and more work later.
Thanks for the feedback, I will replace them.
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I don't run the shim most of the time.

They only come with the complete CVD kit (you should have got some with your kit as well)

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Found them! Thanx
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Hi guys I'm just starting off and I think I made a big mistake buying a tlr 22 4 2.0 because I don't know what I'm doing or how to fix and they say this car is not for beginners lol but I love my tlr eight 3.0 and wanted all tlr cars!!! K I bought a 16,17,18 pinion and have the stock spur(84) and I bought a 78, 76 spur gear I plan to run a Tekin 5.5 or a Orion 6. 5 or a Hobbywing 6.5 did I waste my money 💵 on those spur gears??? And the 16 pinion??? Please have mercy on me I've only been in the hobby for 5 months and my friend works on my cars all the time but I want to learn for my self thanks either pm or leave a message here and maybe some other things I need to know I read most of the thread but can't retain alot cause of my coma in April!!! Wow I love this hobby I like out door more than indoor but we're in indoor season right now
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Originally Posted by BucketheadJedi
I only say dated, because that drive train was originally used Losi's first touring car, the street weapon, and I think that came out in the 90's?????
When exactly do you think the "shaftdrive" on 4wd's came about?

You may want to do some research and what the other 4wd offroad cars were around when the xx4 "Belt" system hit the track. Or when the prototype Durango>BJ4>B44>B64 started and how much it hasn't changed.

Or even look in to how the xxx4 was the freest rolling of all the belt and shaft-drive cars at the time, and how the combo of the xxx4 powertrain with the xx4 suspension became the Xfactory X5.

There is a LOT of history in the 4wd Class too.
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