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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Guys that have lightened your tunnels...are you glad you did? Was it worth the weight savings? Mind posting pics of them.
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What can I do to tighten the back end when tires are not working on my 22 4 2.0???
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What can I do to tighten the back end when tires are not working on my 22 4 2.0???
On power or off power?
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What can I do to tighten the back end when tires are not working on my 22 4 2.0???
Tires are really important. If you're not running the right tires, the grip will never be proper regardless of the chassis geometry/settings.
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What can I do to tighten the back end when tires are not working on my 22 4 2.0???
I've had great success in that area with the ball-diff setup in the rear. For me, it had (and continues to have) a notable improvement with all other things being equal.
TLR Blog - 22-4 2.0 Rear Ball Diff
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Hey guys...getting ready to put a ball diff in the rear of my 2.0. I built it up from all brand new parts yesterday and it has a weird clicking feel to it. Anyone else have that?
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When I try to install the rear ball diff it is uneven. What I mean is that when I put it in and close everything up the dogbones are uneven to the point it almost falls out on one outdrive. Install the gear diff and all is even again. any ideas or pic that could help me out with the installation?
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When I try to install the rear ball diff it is uneven. What I mean is that when I put it in and close everything up the dogbones are uneven to the point it almost falls out on one outdrive. Install the gear diff and all is even again. any ideas or pic that could help me out with the installation?
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Did you install the 2 spacers on the outdrives?
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where do the spacers go? That may well be the issue but still might not help the unevenness.
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Hate to ask a stupid question but is there an easy way to see the difference between a 2.0 and original kit? Found a used roller for sale but guy doesn't know what version it is. Seems a little suspicious. However, has a tone of upgrade parts on it. If it is a 2.0, it would be a great deal. What were the major changes between 1.0 and 2.0? Will be using for 13.5t stock wheeler.
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Originally Posted by invrtd
Hate to ask a stupid question but is there an easy way to see the difference between a 2.0 and original kit? Found a used roller for sale but guy doesn't know what version it is. Seems a little suspicious. However, has a tone of upgrade parts on it. If it is a 2.0, it would be a great deal. What were the major changes between 1.0 and 2.0? Will be using for 13.5t stock wheeler.
You can tell my the outdrives on the diffs. If they have a set screw they are gear diffs, therefore a 2.0.
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Has no one had any issues building a rear ball diff. I bought brand new outdrives, a TLR diff rebuild kit and brand new bearings. I have rebuilt this thing 100 times already and it still has a weird clicking feel. I feel about 6-7 notches per revolution. Thought it was the thrust bearing, put a brand new caged one and still have the notches...ANYONE?
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Originally Posted by jonski
Has no one had any issues building a rear ball diff. I bought brand new outdrives, a TLR diff rebuild kit and brand new bearings. I have rebuilt this thing 100 times already and it still has a weird clicking feel. I feel about 6-7 notches per revolution. Thought it was the thrust bearing, put a brand new caged one and still have the notches...ANYONE?
Maybe one of the outdrives has a burr, or was machined incorrectly. The screw could be defective as well.
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are you rebuilding it with all the same parts every time? You could've flat spotted the balls the first time by over tightening it. If that's the case you can rebuild it a million times but unless you change the balls its never going to be smooth.
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