2016 Cactus Classic
03-13-2016, 01:09 PM
#166
Saw some of the AE drivers at the rcexpo race show here in ca they were running the lay down transmission also the rear shock tower looked production not the carbon flat one maybe something in the works
03-13-2016, 08:12 PM
#168
Originally Posted by QDRHRSE
Nope, people aren't going/didn't go because it sucked last year. It needs to go back outdoors. We had 8 guys last year and it wasn't worth the effort. None of us knew anything about a NASCAR race, we just didn't want to go back. It was more fun before it went to SRS.
03-13-2016, 09:56 PM
#172
A laydown car IS coming from AE, give it a few months.
AE did not have any prototype 4wd there.
Maifield still hates that track, and refuses to club race there. Anyone who says otherwise has never spoken to him about it.
AE did not have any prototype 4wd there.
Maifield still hates that track, and refuses to club race there. Anyone who says otherwise has never spoken to him about it.
03-13-2016, 10:16 PM
#174
Originally Posted by SCRAFAN
Hmmmm....more money in condos than an rc track huh? Genious😉
It was a joke that Scotty kept having to call for marshals for every main.
03-14-2016, 02:41 AM
#175
Why is Cactus going downhill? It comes down to one major factor, the owner of SRS. There's many sub-factors, but almost all of them come down to the owner and his choices.
-Charge for Spectators. Even though, they ended up rescinding this decision, people were rubbed the wrong way after that and the sour taste was already starting.
-Charge for outside food. They have food on premises and it's typical overpriced concession stand food that you'd find at any type of recreational facility, but not allowing outside food in the way that is typical of the RC industry and just dropping that onto participants last minute really upset a lot of people. Like the spectator fee, it was rescinded amid a huge negative outcry, but the damage was done and once again, rubbed people the wrong way.
-Surface, last year there was a lot of complaints about the surface being extremely inconsistent, especially during qualifying. People were pissed because they had to water between heats of the same class, so run 4 heats of mod buggy, then water and run 2 more. That screws up the consistency for everyone, 2 heats of over watered slippery track, then 2 heats of perfect traction, then 2 heats where the track went away on the drivers and the best fast laps were only good enough for mid pack in the good heats. Things like that really upset people. A good misting may be the answer, assuming it's a no-cost spared, done right system. The one at OCRC is so tremendous, that regardless of traction level, it stays pretty much the same all race long, which allows you to adapt to the track and tune for it.
-From Outdoors to Indoors. This one they had less control over. So for those who held onto the nostalgia of the Cactus being outdoors, it was hard for them to let go. But, it is what it is, I suppose they could have found an outdoor venue to host the event just for the week of the race, but it made sense to move it indoors to the new location.
Let's face it, the RC community has a very good memory and is filled with a lot of people that can sometimes be socially awkward, or sensitive which is often why they are so good at racing. But it's also a close knit community that doesn't forget how they were treated and often holds grudges. I've seen this close down not only races, but this type of behavior has closed down tracks. Sometimes owners need to get their heads out of the sand and realize, they may be writing their own death certificate. In SoCal, we're very lucky to have a few amazing tracks and in my opinion, OCRC is the Gold Standard, not just the facility, it is good, actually VERY good. But there are many great facilities in the country, it's also how the business is run as a whole and how they treat everyone from regular club racers, Saturday Practice pros, to World Champions down to the first timers who are renting Slash 2wd's to run on their "Try me" track.
If Cactus is going to survive, the owner of SRS, really needs to re-evaluate things or maybe sell the rights to the race to someone like Joey and let Joey run it out of Fear Farm and change the dates so it's not so close to the DNC. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know what the answer is. Because there's been so much damage done, but it is still a prestigious race that holds a special place in many people's hearts.
-Charge for Spectators. Even though, they ended up rescinding this decision, people were rubbed the wrong way after that and the sour taste was already starting.
-Charge for outside food. They have food on premises and it's typical overpriced concession stand food that you'd find at any type of recreational facility, but not allowing outside food in the way that is typical of the RC industry and just dropping that onto participants last minute really upset a lot of people. Like the spectator fee, it was rescinded amid a huge negative outcry, but the damage was done and once again, rubbed people the wrong way.
-Surface, last year there was a lot of complaints about the surface being extremely inconsistent, especially during qualifying. People were pissed because they had to water between heats of the same class, so run 4 heats of mod buggy, then water and run 2 more. That screws up the consistency for everyone, 2 heats of over watered slippery track, then 2 heats of perfect traction, then 2 heats where the track went away on the drivers and the best fast laps were only good enough for mid pack in the good heats. Things like that really upset people. A good misting may be the answer, assuming it's a no-cost spared, done right system. The one at OCRC is so tremendous, that regardless of traction level, it stays pretty much the same all race long, which allows you to adapt to the track and tune for it.
-From Outdoors to Indoors. This one they had less control over. So for those who held onto the nostalgia of the Cactus being outdoors, it was hard for them to let go. But, it is what it is, I suppose they could have found an outdoor venue to host the event just for the week of the race, but it made sense to move it indoors to the new location.
Let's face it, the RC community has a very good memory and is filled with a lot of people that can sometimes be socially awkward, or sensitive which is often why they are so good at racing. But it's also a close knit community that doesn't forget how they were treated and often holds grudges. I've seen this close down not only races, but this type of behavior has closed down tracks. Sometimes owners need to get their heads out of the sand and realize, they may be writing their own death certificate. In SoCal, we're very lucky to have a few amazing tracks and in my opinion, OCRC is the Gold Standard, not just the facility, it is good, actually VERY good. But there are many great facilities in the country, it's also how the business is run as a whole and how they treat everyone from regular club racers, Saturday Practice pros, to World Champions down to the first timers who are renting Slash 2wd's to run on their "Try me" track.
If Cactus is going to survive, the owner of SRS, really needs to re-evaluate things or maybe sell the rights to the race to someone like Joey and let Joey run it out of Fear Farm and change the dates so it's not so close to the DNC. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know what the answer is. Because there's been so much damage done, but it is still a prestigious race that holds a special place in many people's hearts.
03-14-2016, 07:21 AM
#176
Originally Posted by ScottKelly911
-Charge for outside food. They have food on premises and it's typical overpriced concession stand food that you'd find at any type of recreational facility, but not allowing outside food in the way that is typical of the RC industry and just dropping that onto participants last minute really upset a lot of people. Like the spectator fee, it was rescinded amid a huge negative outcry, but the damage was done and once again, rubbed people the wrong way.
-Surface, last year there was a lot of complaints about the surface being extremely inconsistent, especially during qualifying. People were pissed because they had to water between heats of the same class, so run 4 heats of mod buggy, then water and run 2 more. That screws up the consistency for everyone, 2 heats of over watered slippery track, then 2 heats of perfect traction, then 2 heats where the track went away on the drivers and the best fast laps were only good enough for mid pack in the good heats. Things like that really upset people. A good misting may be the answer, assuming it's a no-cost spared, done right system. The one at OCRC is so tremendous, that regardless of traction level, it stays pretty much the same all race long, which allows you to adapt to the track and tune for it.
-Surface, last year there was a lot of complaints about the surface being extremely inconsistent, especially during qualifying. People were pissed because they had to water between heats of the same class, so run 4 heats of mod buggy, then water and run 2 more. That screws up the consistency for everyone, 2 heats of over watered slippery track, then 2 heats of perfect traction, then 2 heats where the track went away on the drivers and the best fast laps were only good enough for mid pack in the good heats. Things like that really upset people. A good misting may be the answer, assuming it's a no-cost spared, done right system. The one at OCRC is so tremendous, that regardless of traction level, it stays pretty much the same all race long, which allows you to adapt to the track and tune for it.
I'm precoffee, so bear with me.
The food fee is still there. It's horribly vague, and it's horribly enforced. If I bring an apple from home, is that considered outside food? Technically, yes. If I grab popeyes chicken from across the street, it's funny because regardless of entries for Cactus, I have time to just eat there. What management didn't realize is people would just find ways around it. Fee is still in place.
The misters are nice, however ownership was told because of the hard AZ is that he'll need a water softener. Guess what corner he cut? Now they're clogged and leaking, so they weren't used at cactus.
03-14-2016, 08:30 AM
#177
Originally Posted by Socket
I'm precoffee, so bear with me.
The food fee is still there. It's horribly vague, and it's horribly enforced. If I bring an apple from home, is that considered outside food? Technically, yes. If I grab popeyes chicken from across the street, it's funny because regardless of entries for Cactus, I have time to just eat there. What management didn't realize is people would just find ways around it. Fee is still in place.
The misters are nice, however ownership was told because of the hard AZ is that he'll need a water softener. Guess what corner he cut? Now they're clogged and leaking, so they weren't used at cactus.
The food fee is still there. It's horribly vague, and it's horribly enforced. If I bring an apple from home, is that considered outside food? Technically, yes. If I grab popeyes chicken from across the street, it's funny because regardless of entries for Cactus, I have time to just eat there. What management didn't realize is people would just find ways around it. Fee is still in place.
The misters are nice, however ownership was told because of the hard AZ is that he'll need a water softener. Guess what corner he cut? Now they're clogged and leaking, so they weren't used at cactus.
03-14-2016, 10:07 AM
#178
Originally Posted by Wildcat1971
No one pays the food fee. I have not seen that happen in the last year. maybe they charge the go cart crowd. Joe was using a backpack mister and I most say, that did an awesome job watering. And Joe got lots of exercise. The surface has not been stupid grippy on this layout. I has been actually very good grip. Unsure what changed on the build or watering, but the traction has been about perfect, imo. That being said, the turn out was not very good. But watching BK battle it out with cav and maifield in SC was a blast.
