What is the point of 17.5 blinky class?
12-08-2015, 09:02 AM
#136
Originally Posted by wittyname
I don't have any real experience with the class , but from what I read here it seems the motors are the #1 cheater problem . Wouldn't a sealed can motor with no timing adjustments go a long way to fixing that ? I know some always will find a way , but come on ....
The timing part is debatable.
Originally Posted by wittyname
It also seems to me the greatest cost comes at trying to get down to fighting weight. Wouldn't it be simple enough to raise the min weight for the class ? If the lightest kit sold had to ADD weight to make minimum weight , who would try and lose weight ? Just to have to add it back ?
Originally Posted by wittyname
This extra weight would force people to back up on the gearing some , which would slow the cars some . Which some seem to want .
Keep in mind there are a few classes not race anymore because they got to fast for the majority.
Originally Posted by wittyname
Would a esc limit of say 60a with no timing help ?
I never got to run 17.5 . Our track is mod only but I certainly wish I could run a spec 2wd buggy class . I love driving 2wd , I suck at it , and learning on track in the middle of a mod heat isn't cool.
I never got to run 17.5 . Our track is mod only but I certainly wish I could run a spec 2wd buggy class . I love driving 2wd , I suck at it , and learning on track in the middle of a mod heat isn't cool.
12-08-2015, 09:25 AM
#137
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Originally Posted by Mason
You cannot properly tech a motor after it has run. The heat causes resistance to rise therefore giving you a false reading on that measurement. They impound vehicles to keep you near the track so you don't wander off to miss your marshal duties.
12-08-2015, 09:26 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by wittyname
I don't have any real experience with the class , but from what I read here it seems the motors are the #1 cheater problem . Wouldn't a sealed can motor with no timing adjustments go a long way to fixing that ? I know some always will find a way , but come on ....
It also seems to me the greatest cost comes at trying to get down to fighting weight. Wouldn't it be simple enough to raise the min weight for the class ? If the lightest kit sold had to ADD weight to make minimum weight , who would try and lose weight ? Just to have to add it back ?
This extra weight would force people to back up on the gearing some , which would slow the cars some . Which some seem to want .
Would a esc limit of say 60a with no timing help ?
I never got to run 17.5 . Our track is mod only but I certainly wish I could run a spec 2wd buggy class . I love driving 2wd , I suck at it , and learning on track in the middle of a mod heat isn't cool.
It also seems to me the greatest cost comes at trying to get down to fighting weight. Wouldn't it be simple enough to raise the min weight for the class ? If the lightest kit sold had to ADD weight to make minimum weight , who would try and lose weight ? Just to have to add it back ?
This extra weight would force people to back up on the gearing some , which would slow the cars some . Which some seem to want .
Would a esc limit of say 60a with no timing help ?
I never got to run 17.5 . Our track is mod only but I certainly wish I could run a spec 2wd buggy class . I love driving 2wd , I suck at it , and learning on track in the middle of a mod heat isn't cool.
12-08-2015, 10:46 AM
#139
I got back into the hobby 5 years ago after a 12 year absence. I got talked into buying a 4x4 SCTE. That truck was not teaching me anything at all other than how to leave the track frustrated.
I then went and got a 22sct. That truck taught me how to drive. In the process I could not figure out how Jonny Racer (insert top driver name) was so much faster than me. Well I better buy a better battery and motor and oh he has pucks so i need pucks too. I went about a year and a half thinking in my head that these guys are cheating before I come to the realization of this. Sure you need a fast hot rod but more than anything I need to learn how to drive and I need to go to the track more than the one time a week to race. I need practice, we all need practice. Even Tom Brady has to show up for practice to stay sharp and learn.
I have talked to many of the 'fast guys' and listened to what they say. Most of them will tell you the same thing, stay 4 to 6 inches off that tube and remember that slower is better most of the time. We all can run fast in straight line but its the infield that separates the top from bottom. One racer told me to just practice on racedays with my buggy, dont even practice with my SC and the SC will be easier to drive, boy was he right!
Once I approached RC Racing with that mindset I continually got better. I started making the A Main each week and eventually now I can run more competitively than ever. I make sure I practice as much as I can.
While I have won a few club level races I still have not won what i consider to be a big race but I am still chasing that dream and I will be doing it in a 17.5 blinky class (please do not call it a stock class!!!)
You all can debate over Pucks, cut gears, 100c batteries ect but until you can actually drive what you own and run 5 to 7 marshall free, no blowing turns laps then all that means nothing.
disclaimer: The best moment of my rc racing yet was the day I legit passed that fast guy I was chasing for 2 years on the track. I only got to do it once so far but to me that was a win.
I then went and got a 22sct. That truck taught me how to drive. In the process I could not figure out how Jonny Racer (insert top driver name) was so much faster than me. Well I better buy a better battery and motor and oh he has pucks so i need pucks too. I went about a year and a half thinking in my head that these guys are cheating before I come to the realization of this. Sure you need a fast hot rod but more than anything I need to learn how to drive and I need to go to the track more than the one time a week to race. I need practice, we all need practice. Even Tom Brady has to show up for practice to stay sharp and learn.
I have talked to many of the 'fast guys' and listened to what they say. Most of them will tell you the same thing, stay 4 to 6 inches off that tube and remember that slower is better most of the time. We all can run fast in straight line but its the infield that separates the top from bottom. One racer told me to just practice on racedays with my buggy, dont even practice with my SC and the SC will be easier to drive, boy was he right!
Once I approached RC Racing with that mindset I continually got better. I started making the A Main each week and eventually now I can run more competitively than ever. I make sure I practice as much as I can.
While I have won a few club level races I still have not won what i consider to be a big race but I am still chasing that dream and I will be doing it in a 17.5 blinky class (please do not call it a stock class!!!)
You all can debate over Pucks, cut gears, 100c batteries ect but until you can actually drive what you own and run 5 to 7 marshall free, no blowing turns laps then all that means nothing.
disclaimer: The best moment of my rc racing yet was the day I legit passed that fast guy I was chasing for 2 years on the track. I only got to do it once so far but to me that was a win.
12-08-2015, 10:55 AM
#140
Originally Posted by dirt42fan
disclaimer: The best moment of my rc racing yet was the day I legit passed that fast guy I was chasing for 2 years on the track. I only got to do it once so far but to me that was a win.
12-08-2015, 11:21 AM
#141
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enforcer
Originally Posted by Davidka
I think capable was exactly the right word. If they didn't "want to be the enforcer" then they were incapable of handling the responsibility of making their stock class fair for all the paying racers and thus allowed one cheater to spoil the class for at least one racer, likely many more.
12-08-2015, 12:12 PM
#142
Originally Posted by dirt42fan
Sure you need a fast hot rod but more than anything I need to learn how to drive and I need to go to the track more than the one time a week to race. I need practice, we all need practice.
stay 4 to 6 inches off that tube and remember that slower is better most of the time. We all can run fast in straight line but its the infield that separates the top from bottom.
stay 4 to 6 inches off that tube and remember that slower is better most of the time. We all can run fast in straight line but its the infield that separates the top from bottom.
amazing some never ever get this concept.
12-08-2015, 01:30 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by fivepointnine
But that is the issue...WITHIN THE RULES. I have witnessed people floating jumps only mod cars can make (in the "17.5" class) at several tracks in the area I used to live, people would comment, yet the tracks are reluctant to do anything about it.
I like how the BRCA does it for regional and national races. After your heat your buggy is "impounded" at a table, then while you marshal the buggies from that heat are teched EVERY SINGLE ROUND, EVERY SINGLE BUGGY!
I like how the BRCA does it for regional and national races. After your heat your buggy is "impounded" at a table, then while you marshal the buggies from that heat are teched EVERY SINGLE ROUND, EVERY SINGLE BUGGY!
Ive never seen a motor taken apart at a national or heard of it being done either and whether it's a benefit to run alternative rotors for example in a car that has far more power than grip remains to be seen!
12-08-2015, 03:05 PM
#145
Originally Posted by losi8lunie
With respect the BRCA rules are to the mod equivalent in the states and cars are only checked for weight, dimensions, voltage, motor and battery on the list etc - tyres are a given as its Schumacher or ballistic.
Ive never seen a motor taken apart at a national or heard of it being done either and whether it's a benefit to run alternative rotors for example in a car that has far more power than grip remains to be seen!
Ive never seen a motor taken apart at a national or heard of it being done either and whether it's a benefit to run alternative rotors for example in a car that has far more power than grip remains to be seen!
12-08-2015, 04:18 PM
#146
Originally Posted by rcgod
I've never heard of a 17.5 car having far more power than grip. If they did then slipper eliminators wouldn't exist.
you will easily break traction with a 17.5, especially coupled with running a emiminator
12-09-2015, 01:04 AM
#149
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Originally Posted by losi8lunie
With respect the BRCA rules are to the mod equivalent in the states and cars are only checked for weight, dimensions, voltage, motor and battery on the list etc - tyres are a given as its Schumacher or ballistic.
Ive never seen a motor taken apart at a national or heard of it being done either and whether it's a benefit to run alternative rotors for example in a car that has far more power than grip remains to be seen!
Ive never seen a motor taken apart at a national or heard of it being done either and whether it's a benefit to run alternative rotors for example in a car that has far more power than grip remains to be seen!
12-09-2015, 08:10 AM
#150
Originally Posted by fivepointnine
That is a cool observation about weight...I like it. Make stock class 1600 grams minimum (1499 currently). Most buggies weigh around 1550 to 1620 ready to run before you start weight saving measures.
