The silliness of the "Cab Forward" discussion
11-12-2015, 10:38 AM
#16
I really disliked the cab forward look when I came back to RC after about 12 years off. However, I do think they look very cool now, especially the 4wd and new LCG transmission ones where you don't have the spur sticking out. The fact remains, however, that we no longer race buggies, we race semi-trucks.
11-12-2015, 12:52 PM
#20
I do think the current trend of the front wings hanging off the top of the front shock tower makes no sense. They need to be off the front of the car like the old Losi high down force wing kit for the XXX or like the front wing on a sprint car. Just my 2 cents
Last edited by Tim W.; 11-12-2015 at 01:03 PM.
11-12-2015, 12:58 PM
#21
I do think the current trend of the front wings hanging off the top of the front shock tower makes no sense. They need to be off the front of the car like the old Losi high down force wing kit for the XXX or like the front wing on a sprint car. Just my 2 cents from someone who races a full size racecar as well as rc!
Last edited by Socket; 11-12-2015 at 01:19 PM.
11-12-2015, 01:16 PM
#25
I'd like it to be a bit more governed. I'm not too worried about cab forward and cab back, but I like some standards so that there is some sort of resemblance to a vehicle that 'could' be real.
I'm some where in the middle:Since we're making the bodies so functional with the front windshield basically acting like a wing, I'd rather we just move away from this front wing phenom going on.
It's mostly in the racer's hands anyway. If we don't buy it, they won't make it. If racers realized that a front wing isn't much of an advantage if everyone else slaps a wing on then maybe we wouldn't be going that route. What we're doing for the most part is simply increasing the cost of racing.
I'm some where in the middle:
- For instance, I hate it when people don't use window masks and have a single color spray bomb body.
- However, I don't think we'd get much performance from a scale buggy if we had to give it scale sized shocks, so a scale
It's mostly in the racer's hands anyway. If we don't buy it, they won't make it. If racers realized that a front wing isn't much of an advantage if everyone else slaps a wing on then maybe we wouldn't be going that route. What we're doing for the most part is simply increasing the cost of racing.
The cab-forward designs, some are way to high, or forward for my taste, but there is no denying they work. Example the TLR 22-4 Cab forward just looks awkward, but the JConcepts looks nice.
Performance #1, looks #2, realism #3, to scale
. Since the 1987 RC10 nothing has been to scale so that subject is mute. No the SCT is not to scale, maybe the body is but nothing else.
11-12-2015, 01:21 PM
#26
These cars aren't on pavement. It's arguable that the current high bite clay and the amount of mechanical grip the cars make, it actually has more bite than asphalt.
11-12-2015, 01:22 PM
#27
I would mention the current cars share a look more common to swamp buggies.
11-12-2015, 01:23 PM
#28
However, note that I never said that the current vehicles couldn't be real, or don't resemble what could be a real vehicle. However, putting a massive wing in front of the drivers window is not very realistic. And you don't see a massive wing in the front of an F1 vehicle blocking a drivers vision - even if it provided a significant engineering advantage. Shock towers in front of the drivers window also is not very realistic, but I think is functionally necessary.
Cab forward (if I recall correctly) was basically introduced for aerodynamic purposes. So were front wings. As we push everything to the limits, my hope is that we keep some sort of boundary on it so that we don't lose a semblance of reality. There are no people in our vehicles to design around. F1 has at least that.
So, again, I have no issues with cab forward, but do appreciate rules governing some semblance of reality. The last thing I want to do is race a vehicle that looks like some sort of alien rocketship with wheels.
Hope that helps. Sounds like you were challenging my comments, but didn't understand my point.
11-12-2015, 01:23 PM
#30
the whole bull dog body look of stadiums took a while to grow on my, now I don't mind them so much, or the whole cab forward deal on buggies.
If I was going to argue at all about the looks of the vehicles, I would probably want it to run more in the direction of driver figures, etc. but as someone already commented, vintage class or something similar. No need to change the current one.
It will all sort out what people like and don't.
If I was going to argue at all about the looks of the vehicles, I would probably want it to run more in the direction of driver figures, etc. but as someone already commented, vintage class or something similar. No need to change the current one.
It will all sort out what people like and don't.