26LikesTLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
08-23-2016, 10:37 AM - Wikipost
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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.
Franks response: Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root). Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either. I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'. K.King Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea. 
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01-02-2016, 02:53 PM
#1366
Tech Rookie
01-02-2016, 04:40 PM
#1367
I'd try Dustin Evans setup posted on Petit. I have plenty of steering using it. This car feels great and setup changes seem to be made quicker than my B5 was. Losi also has some killer shocks and seems to land on a pillow off jumps. The kit setup does push a bit but its a safe starting point for most. Me personally am finding that I like my traditional shock package from my B5 with this car but I will try other things to see what they feel like.
I went thru the kit setup V Dustin's set up to see what changes he made and what each change might do but due to the differences it gets confusing after about the 4th one
01-02-2016, 06:39 PM
#1368
Tech Apprentice
Just got my car to the roller stage tonight. Went together pretty well. I did end up tapping each hole, this is just something that i do on every car I build.
The only trouble I had was installing the rear arms, I had to loosen the screws that hold the rear shock tower in place so I could get the front arm block installed.
Looking forward to running the car soon!
The only trouble I had was installing the rear arms, I had to loosen the screws that hold the rear shock tower in place so I could get the front arm block installed.
Looking forward to running the car soon!
What type of tap do you use (taper tap, plug tap or bottom tap)?
Do you tap them completely thorough or leave a taper so that the screws can bight into the plastic at the end?
I already built my 3.0, but my son is planning to get one soon so maybe we will try tapping his.
01-02-2016, 06:49 PM
#1369
Tech Adept
I know it was posted in here somewhere and I can't find it, but does anyone know the part numbers to any gear diff that will work with this car? KYO, TLR or whatever else work...thanks!
01-02-2016, 09:15 PM
#1370
Yes was discussed previously in this thread. Losi gear diff was used. Part # LOSA2954
01-02-2016, 09:37 PM
#1371
I use the AKA punch and punch a 2mm hole then use a reamer to ream just enough for the tip of my hex wrench to fit. You can use a small amount of pressure and rotate the cup back and forth to cut it.
01-02-2016, 09:38 PM
#1372
It was a ton of low speed steering which for the current layout works great. The mod TLR driver ran his spare car in stock with a modified Mayfield setup and he wound up winning last night. I'm going back out with my B5 shock package on the Evans setup tomorrow. Will report back on my thoughts.
01-03-2016, 12:40 AM
#1377
Couple of good days of racing at Trackside in Milwaukee, there were at least a dozen 3.0 buggies and about 50 entries in Stock Buggy each of the last 2 days. A few things about the car:
-One local racer who had recently finished his 3.0 build showed me his outdrive/driveshaft clearance about a week ago and asked me if mine looked about the same. I am running the TLR Aluminum Driveshafts (not the ones out of the kit) but his did look a lot more outward than mine, so I advised what many have mentioned in this thread -- installing the spacers from the optional parts bag behind the axle.
Unfortunately, he didn't finish his main today due to the drive shaft popping out of the outdrive, even with the spacers installed! There was certainly an impact that caused it, but I just wanted to throw the report out there that I did see it happen -- but I didn't see it happen to any of the other 3.0s on the track in either stock or mod.
-I didn't talk to one owner who didn't have good things to say about the car, lots of praise for the new rear end design and no real complaints about the build that I heard. I didn't hear anything that made me think "yeah, I had that issue too" that wasn't tuning related.
-Most people had started with the Dustin Evans setup from the Horizon race and adjusted from there, if one word came up more than other about the way the car drove it was "predictable." The current layout has a lot of technical spots where it's easy for an over-jump or under-jump to flip the car or land on a pipe, and lots of people commented on how the way the car jumps made it easy to consistently land it how you wanted to.
Search the googles or youtubes for Trackside Chili Dump 2016 if you want to see video of some mains with some 3.0s in action!
-One local racer who had recently finished his 3.0 build showed me his outdrive/driveshaft clearance about a week ago and asked me if mine looked about the same. I am running the TLR Aluminum Driveshafts (not the ones out of the kit) but his did look a lot more outward than mine, so I advised what many have mentioned in this thread -- installing the spacers from the optional parts bag behind the axle.
Unfortunately, he didn't finish his main today due to the drive shaft popping out of the outdrive, even with the spacers installed! There was certainly an impact that caused it, but I just wanted to throw the report out there that I did see it happen -- but I didn't see it happen to any of the other 3.0s on the track in either stock or mod.
-I didn't talk to one owner who didn't have good things to say about the car, lots of praise for the new rear end design and no real complaints about the build that I heard. I didn't hear anything that made me think "yeah, I had that issue too" that wasn't tuning related.
-Most people had started with the Dustin Evans setup from the Horizon race and adjusted from there, if one word came up more than other about the way the car drove it was "predictable." The current layout has a lot of technical spots where it's easy for an over-jump or under-jump to flip the car or land on a pipe, and lots of people commented on how the way the car jumps made it easy to consistently land it how you wanted to.
Search the googles or youtubes for Trackside Chili Dump 2016 if you want to see video of some mains with some 3.0s in action!
01-03-2016, 07:48 AM
#1378
Tech Master
iTrader: (14)
I have considered tapping holes also, but wondered if it would make the screws loosen up too easy. So I assume you never had a problem of screws loosening up and backing out over time?
What type of tap do you use (taper tap, plug tap or bottom tap)?
Do you tap them completely thorough or leave a taper so that the screws can bight into the plastic at the end?
I already built my 3.0, but my son is planning to get one soon so maybe we will try tapping his.
What type of tap do you use (taper tap, plug tap or bottom tap)?
Do you tap them completely thorough or leave a taper so that the screws can bight into the plastic at the end?
I already built my 3.0, but my son is planning to get one soon so maybe we will try tapping his.
