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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 07-13-2016, 09:54 PM   #3196
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Get the Serpent SRX-2 or SRX-4 gear diff. Fits perfectly with a couple shims. It is twice the price, but easily more than twice the quality of the Losi gear diff. Trust me. I would love for TLR to make a quality gear diff (and I would switch to it because I like keeping things factory), but there is no comparison between the Losi and the Serpent right now.
Just curious what kind of problems you're experiencing with the 22 RTR gear diff? I've got about 6 race days on mine so far and it seems to be holding up pretty well so far with my car remaining fairly competitive, though I plan to switch back to the MIP pucks this weekend after recently upgrading to longer 67mm shafts with rollers.

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Anyone know if the MIP super diff parts (rings and outdrives) are compatible with the TLR parts? I'm thinking of getting the bi-metal outdrives for my TLR 22T 2.0, but don't really want the rest of the super diff kit (rings, balls).
I was sold a bi-metal diff recently and the rep didn't realize it wouldn't be compatible with the pucks system, however it does work fine with the stock shafts. Supposedly they will be releasing a bi-metal system for the pucks within the next few weeks. The bi-metal kit (#16020) comes with everything (including rings,balls) except the plastic diff gear. The rings are 100% identical to the stock rings in the kit.

I don't see any reason why you can't recycle the kit diff parts and buy the bi-metal outdrives (#16025) and bi-metal hubs (#16072) separately.

The screw in the bi-metal kit measures 26mm long from the back of the socket head to the tip of the threads. I would double check the length of the screw in the kit diff is the same length. I'm not gonna take my diff apart to measure it anytime soon.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:39 AM   #3197
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Going out and getting the 22 3.0 tomorrow need some good motor and ESC ideals thanks
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Going out and getting the 22 3.0 tomorrow need some good motor and ESC ideals thanks
I have ran Novak, Tekin, and Orion. The Orion is the smoothest and best feel out of those 3 and what I run. Novak is closed so there is no support left plus I didn't have much luck with them . Tekin is a good brand never had issues with them. I have heard good things about the Reedy and Hobbywing just never tried them myself
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Old 07-14-2016, 03:31 PM   #3199
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Going out and getting the 22 3.0 tomorrow need some good motor and ESC ideals thanks
Stock or mod? I really like the Hobbywing stuff: affordable, but not cheap. For mod, get the 120A v3.1 ESC and V10 motor of your choice. They have a brand new ESC, but the v3.1 is plenty adequate and now a little cheaper. For stock, get the v3.1 stock spec (or the Justock if you will never need to run timing or boost.) Also grab the programmer box.
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the new tekin software is as good as any...and its a small american company....customer service is the best in the industry
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I have ran Hobbywing, Viper and Tekin. I stick with Tekin because it is the easiest to tune and the customer support is by far the best in the industry. The new 2.55 software makes the Tekin Gen2 escs equally smooth as any other brand on the market. You can top it off with the RS Gen2 being the lightest esc on the market for stock racing at 20g without wires.
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will tlr331016 work on the 3.0?
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will tlr331016 work on the 3.0?
Yup.
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just bolt on and go?
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just bolt on and go?
Yes. It's an aluminum version of the stock pieces except it has bearings and spacers.
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Does the new 3 gear dirt laydown work with the standard 3.0 chassis? I didn't know there was a new dirt laydown tyranny available. I just bought the laydown conversion kit. So I'm guessing this is different than the conversion kit
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Does the new 3 gear dirt laydown work with the standard 3.0 chassis? I didn't know there was a new dirt laydown tyranny available. I just bought the laydown conversion kit. So I'm guessing this is different than the conversion kit
No.

You'll need to buy the carpet laydown kit, THEN you can buy the dirt laydown to use.
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Ok gotcha thanks socket
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