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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 05-06-2016, 11:06 AM   #2761
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http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...odID=TLR331019

TLR has them.

Exotek works great with my Spektrum servos
That leads you to Horizon where you can pre-order.
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Old 05-06-2016, 11:18 AM   #2762
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It is coming though. Should be here any day.
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I've been assembling my buggy this week and overall I'm happy as usual, but I've noticed suspension parts are fitting tighter on this one. Not a big deal, I don't really mind having to free up the parts a little. One area I'd like to see them improve one is the way the caster block mounts to the a-arm. I'd prefer to see a one piece hinge pin instead of the two pivots screws. I have to back the screws off just a hair to make sure the caster block pivots freely. Seems like the two pivot pins aren't exactly in line and when tightened all the way bind up some. Anybody else have this problem when assembling theirs? If a running change was made I'd definitely buy the parts.
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You don't want to tighten these screws. You pinch the arm to the block. These should be backed off a hair to run properly.
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That one doesn't work with every servo. I run Savox and I think it has fitment issues.
I am using a Savox right now.
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I am using a Savox right now.
They put out an addendum to the instructions for Savox servos. It looks like you need to trim the servo ears. Did you have to do that?
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I'm loving this new buggy and I have only raced it twice on our local turf track. I'm getting ready to put an indoor clay setup on it and get a second kit to build a lay-down car for turf this winter. I love the look of the new body and a joy to paint (much easier than the 2.0 cab fwd bodies )


Quick question. Are those PL or Shu front tires on that buggy? And if they're Shu, how did you get them mounted so clean on TLR wheel?
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After doing a little measuring comparing the TLR wheels and my Avid B5M offset rears, it looks like there's about 0.65mm difference per side. So I am thinking the aluminum +0.75mm hexes will work perfectly for me. The fronts are WAY WAY off, so I don't mind having to buy fronts for it. I am going to run the buggy tomorrow on the box stock set-up and we'll see how well it runs! If it drives anything like the build I will be very happy!

For now I added 0.6mm of shims per side behind the hexes and it seems to be nice and smooth without any binding.
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Quick question. Are those PL or Shu front tires on that buggy? And if they're Shu, how did you get them mounted so clean on TLR wheel?
you mount them to the inner part of the bead and cut the excess off of the inside of the rim.
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They put out an addendum to the instructions for Savox servos. It looks like you need to trim the servo ears. Did you have to do that?
No, I only had to use the 2mm shim.

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you mount them to the inner part of the bead and cut the excess off of the inside of the rim.
I'm looking at a Shu front tire and a TLR wheel right now and can't figure out what exactly you mean. Any better way to explain it? are you cutting off excess tire or actual plastic from the wheel?
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You trim the plastic from the wheel

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i see, you mount the tire to the inner bead on the wheel and trim off the outer.

do you also do this with the front side of the wheel or does that mount normally? and do you trim some rubber off the actual tire like i see some people do with AE wheels?
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You mount the face side of the wheel normal and glue the inside bead to the inside bead lip of the wheel. I would cut the outter bead off first making it easier to glue and not cut the sidewall of the tire. I personally trim the crappy molding off the inside of the tire bead front or back if it is that bad and unbalances the tires. Schumachers beads tend to be sloppy on the inside edge but people are still fast just gluing and running them.
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Congrats Frank on the win at OCRC last night with the new laydown trans conversion and Jackie Boy Thayer with the second place finish with his laydown conversion.

Good battle for a while with Kody Numendahl and his AE laydown thingy for 3rd.

Heavy hitters in the stock class too with the Stock Nats coming up next week.

TLR stuff lookin good on the medium to high bite clay
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