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Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

edit by dgrobe2112
here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

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Old 12-18-2017, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by scr8pn4205
just changed the front steering arms and plate to alum. Where the servo linkage attaches the steering plate I added 2mm shim to equal the height of the stock plastic part. I see a lot of setups where this is at 3 or 4mm. Can anyone tell me the reason for adding more shims on top of the steering plate under the ball stud.
I believe the more horizontal the link is the more responsive steering inputs are around the neutral point.
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Yes and yes
Yes it does but the lower gearbox housing is narrower to allow the narrow blocks to fit
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Originally Posted by Quietman
Yes it does but the lower gearbox housing is narrower to allow the narrow blocks to fit
I bought the 16 when it first came out, switched it to the 3 gear laydown as soon it was available and then added the new narrow C and D blocks without any issue...

I believe to run the 3 gear mid motor you may need to dremel the gear box down.
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Does anyone have a set up sheet for carpet. We are only allowed to run slicks in my club. Thank you in advance.
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Originally Posted by mikeang39
Does anyone have a set up sheet for carpet. We are only allowed to run slicks in my club. Thank you in advance.
I would start with Bruno's EOS setup...

Xray XB2'18 - Bruno Coelho - EOS - Warsaw - 20-22.10.2017
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Thank you. Dont they use pins for carpet? I have this set-up but it feels loose on power. We only use slicks.
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I would start with Bruno's EOS setup...

Xray XB2'18 - Bruno Coelho - EOS - Warsaw - 20-22.10.2017
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Originally Posted by mikeang39
Does anyone have a set up sheet for carpet. We are only allowed to run slicks in my club. Thank you in advance.
We only run slicks on CRC Carpet at my track and one of my locals has a killer setup for the XB2. John Barron is his name and he just posted his setup on Xray site after the TN Indoor State Champs this past weekend.

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Thank you very much!
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Thank you. Dont they use pins for carpet? I have this set-up but it feels loose on power. We only use slicks.
Make changes. Read in the book at what the changes do. Everyone drives different A pros setup is a starting point. You adjust for your driving style.
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why all the photos are down?
Photobucket changed their policies with little notice, can't view pics via other websites unless you pay their new fees.
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Originally Posted by symmetricon
I corner balance my car using this.
X Weight Gauge | G-FORCE | G-FORCE INC.

Picked up a scale, attached a picture of the readings. What’s more important the front wheel weights being the same or the total side to side weight being equal? Should I make the front tire weights the same, then add lead to balance total L/R?
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Originally Posted by Bman's 3XNT
Picked up a scale, attached a picture of the readings. What’s more important the front wheel weights being the same or the total side to side weight being equal? Should I make the front tire weights the same, then add lead to balance total L/R?
The biggest problem with those scales is repeatability. Its difficult to get the same reading multiple different times. They work best if the wheels are free to slide and allow the chassis to settle naturaly. Try using it with just bare rims so the tires don't grip the scale pads. The reason I mention all this is 10 grams is well within the friction induced error I have seen with these units.
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Originally Posted by JsK
The biggest problem with those scales is repeatability. Its difficult to get the same reading multiple different times. They work best if the wheels are free to slide and allow the chassis to settle naturaly. Try using it with just bare rims so the tires don't grip the scale pads. The reason I mention all this is 10 grams is well within the friction induced error I have seen with these units.
I read both good and bad on these scales. But I figured I’d give it a try. It is rather helpful if your not to OCD with getting the numbers perfect. I will try with just the rims. Thanks for the tip....
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