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Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

edit by dgrobe2112
here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

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Old 07-27-2018, 09:43 AM
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how much wider are the XB4 arms? Curious to try it out to be honest
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Originally Posted by Pville Stig
The Dirt Conversion was developed by The Tessman's for the Roar Nationals in 17. We ran the setup at Reedy and the results speak for themselves. I've personally run the flex chassis and the 18 chassis and can say that the flex chassis is an improvement over the standard 17 chassis but is not as good as the 18 chassis. The Dirt conversion creates better grip and the car jumps and lands better. A few us us have even used the Dirt conversion on high grip astro and seen improvement in lap times and how much easier the car is to drive fast.
I've already specified "low grip" on a few occasions so not sure what the Roar Nats or Astro has to do with anything. You stated the 18 chassis is better for all surfaces. I'm simply asking how that works when it is .5mm thicker than the flex chassis (that came standard in my 17 kit) and I already have to take out Multi Flex screws to get grip. Second question is what is the point of putting a dirt conversion on a 2017 dirt edition car. The Xray site clearly says the conversion is for the carpet car to run it on dirt. What does the dirt car gain by adding this? Not sure what I'm missing here?

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Originally Posted by Chaz955i
I've already specified "low grip" on a few occasions so not sure what the Roar Nats or Astro has to do with anything. You stated the 18 chassis is better for all surfaces. I'm simply asking how that works when it is .5mm thicker than the flex chassis (that came standard in my 17 kit) and I already have to take out Multi Flex screws to get grip. Second question is what is the point of putting a dirt conversion on a 2017 dirt edition car. The Xray site clearly says the conversion is for the carpet car to run it on dirt. What does the dirt car gain by adding this? Not sure what I'm missing here?

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The 18 chassis was specifically tested and designed to have flex in the right places to create grip. The CF chassis was the first step and the aluma flex chassis was next. Personally i've run every chassis that XRAY has produced for the XB2 and the 18 is by far the one that makes this car better than any prior XB2. I've used it on loose dirt to high bite carpet and have been able to find grip with a little tuning here and there. The dirt conversion is basically the XB4 rear end on the XB2 made to fit with a better ball diff. The additional length of the arm, the geometry,the hub position and the shocks being more in a straight up and down position helps the car with forward bite and stability over jumps. I tried it at the Reedy race and liked it and continued to use it on high grip astro/carpet. The point being that it makes a difference even on high bite surfaces so on low grip it will definitely help. The Tessman's came up with the idea after the 2017 Reedy race because the car was lacking the rear grip of other cars.
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Originally Posted by Pville Stig
The 18 chassis was specifically tested and designed to have flex in the right places to create grip. The CF chassis was the first step and the aluma flex chassis was next. Personally i've run every chassis that XRAY has produced for the XB2 and the 18 is by far the one that makes this car better than any prior XB2. I've used it on loose dirt to high bite carpet and have been able to find grip with a little tuning here and there. The dirt conversion is basically the XB4 rear end on the XB2 made to fit with a better ball diff. The additional length of the arm, the geometry,the hub position and the shocks being more in a straight up and down position helps the car with forward bite and stability over jumps. I tried it at the Reedy race and liked it and continued to use it on high grip astro/carpet. The point being that it makes a difference even on high bite surfaces so on low grip it will definitely help. The Tessman's came up with the idea after the 2017 Reedy race because the car was lacking the rear grip of other cars.
thanks for the details.

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Default Narrow Suspension Holders - Brass or Alu

I have a 2016 XB2 upgraded to 2017 spec. We run on low grip carpet (low pile office carpet tiles) currently running the brass bulkhead & 25gm under battery weight. Looking for an in increase in rear traction and was going to pick up the brass RF & RR narrow options. I believe the car currently has the wide standard hangers. Will this be too much extra weight in the back or should I be looking at one aluminium RF & one brass RR? (or vice versa) All brass does look awesome though!
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Originally Posted by Pville Stig
The 18 chassis was specifically tested and designed to have flex in the right places to create grip. The CF chassis was the first step and the aluma flex chassis was next. Personally i've run every chassis that XRAY has produced for the XB2 and the 18 is by far the one that makes this car better than any prior XB2. I've used it on loose dirt to high bite carpet and have been able to find grip with a little tuning here and there. The dirt conversion is basically the XB4 rear end on the XB2 made to fit with a better ball diff. The additional length of the arm, the geometry,the hub position and the shocks being more in a straight up and down position helps the car with forward bite and stability over jumps. I tried it at the Reedy race and liked it and continued to use it on high grip astro/carpet. The point being that it makes a difference even on high bite surfaces so on low grip it will definitely help. The Tessman's came up with the idea after the 2017 Reedy race because the car was lacking the rear grip of other cars.
Thank you. This is the detail I was looking for.
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So what would be the best version for me to look for on loose dirt? The only 2018 edition that I can find is the carpet edition. The 2017 dirt edition has been on back order, and I can't find out when that will be in stock. Thanks for the help!
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Originally Posted by lowdoughracer
So what would be the best version for me to look for on loose dirt? The only 2018 edition that I can find is the carpet edition. The 2017 dirt edition has been on back order, and I can't find out when that will be in stock. Thanks for the help!

At this point it would be best to get the 18 car and add the stand up trans and dirt conversion. There is a dirt car on ebay...
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Do you guys know when a 2018 dirt edition might be released? Or would they wait until 2019 to release something new specifically for dirt that wouldn't require conversions?
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Originally Posted by lowdoughracer
Do you guys know when a 2018 dirt edition might be released? Or would they wait until 2019 to release something new specifically for dirt that wouldn't require conversions?
My guess is that there will be an 19 xb2 with both dirt and carpet parts in it like the XT2 kits.
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xb2 incoming. Will be running on High bite carpet as well as high traction clay. For adding a ball diff. what is the recommended one? see on their site the 325001 XH and the 325002 2.5 drive pin diff?

Apologize if this has been covered at length, paged through and did not notice.
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Dave,
All you will need is the xh ball diff and the narrow brass c plate. The xb2 coming your way has a tremendous amount of rear grip, if you dial it in.. ie lower the rear hubs. Imo brass d plate is too much

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Hey Scott,

Appreciate the information, I'll get the pieces on order.

Looking forward to it.
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but wheres the dirt? (still 2017 lol)
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