Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric Off-Road
Xray XB2 2WD Buggy Thread >

Xray XB2 2WD Buggy Thread

Community
Wiki Posts
Search
Like Tree333Likes

Xray XB2 2WD Buggy Thread

    Hide Wikipost
Old 05-04-2019, 06:44 PM   -   Wikipost
R/C Tech ForumsThread Wiki: Xray XB2 2WD Buggy Thread
Please read: This is a community-maintained wiki post containing the most important information from this thread. You may edit the Wiki once you have been a member for 90 days and have made 90 posts.
 
Last edit by: dgrobe2112
Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

edit by dgrobe2112
here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

Print Wikipost

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-08-2017, 11:41 AM
  #4561  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (27)
 
symmetricon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: houston
Posts: 4,882
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by dgrobe2112
a quick 5 second search on the thread search option.. shows.. you can in fact run the yokomo diff, but you also need to buy the drive shafts as well.
Interesting, good to know...
symmetricon is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 07:46 AM
  #4562  
Tech Master
iTrader: (19)
 
Slapjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,065
Trader Rating: 19 (100%+)
Default

What would you guys say is a better thing for me to get first for running on clay? 3 gear transmission or ball diff? I can only get one right now. I am beginner when it comes to 2wd so I am trying to make the car easy to drive.

I'm also wondering is the 4 gear transmission better than the 3 gear for any certain circumstances? Carpet track maybe? Or is the 3 gear better all around for everything?
Slapjack is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 07:52 AM
  #4563  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (43)
 
seth556's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 2,233
Trader Rating: 43 (100%+)
Default

If it's low to medium bite clay then I'd go ball diff. 3 gear will be better the higher the bite.
seth556 is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 08:05 AM
  #4564  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (33)
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 2,384
Trader Rating: 33 (100%+)
Default

3 gear is better all around. I think u can make a gear diff work just fine.
dgrobe2112 is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 08:40 AM
  #4565  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (27)
 
symmetricon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: houston
Posts: 4,882
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

3 gear laydown is superior in every condition to 4 gear laydown imo.
symmetricon is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 09:21 AM
  #4566  
Tech Master
iTrader: (19)
 
Slapjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,065
Trader Rating: 19 (100%+)
Default

WOUld going thicker oil in my gear diff give me the same effect as the ball diff sort of? I am still not 100% on the whole principle of the ball diff. If you slowly bring it up to tightness so it does spin it sounds like you are basically wanting both wheels to spin at all times and not let power be transferred from one side to the other like with a gear diff?
Slapjack is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 10:53 AM
  #4567  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (27)
 
symmetricon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: houston
Posts: 4,882
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Slapjack
WOUld going thicker oil in my gear diff give me the same effect as the ball diff sort of? I am still not 100% on the whole principle of the ball diff. If you slowly bring it up to tightness so it does spin it sounds like you are basically wanting both wheels to spin at all times and not let power be transferred from one side to the other like with a gear diff?
Ball diffs and gear diffs behave very differently. Under load a ball diff has a constant feel, as forces acting upon the diff changes, the action of the diff is constant whether the force is increasing of decreasing. Since a gear diff uses fluids there are shear rates involved, when forces that act upon the diff, the shear rates changes thus the diff action changes. A gear diff tends to lock up the more the forces acting on it increases, this may cause an increase in forward drive in high bite conditions and in low bite conditions it may cause instability or make the car feel lose.
symmetricon is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 11:19 AM
  #4568  
Tech Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Chicago
Posts: 61
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Just wanted to say thanks for the tips and help setting up my xb2. I raced last night and got first place in my club race. This car rocks!
TheYellowDart is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 01:43 PM
  #4569  
Tech Regular
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 410
Default

New to the XB2 (dirt), is it possible to run it as rear motor? (remember seeing some pics of it as rm some time ago)

The car will mainy be driven on a low traction clay track

also what wheels have the same offset?

Last edited by Bappe; 02-09-2017 at 02:52 PM.
Bappe is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 06:33 PM
  #4570  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (27)
 
symmetricon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: houston
Posts: 4,882
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

RCSHOX will soon have the lightest slipper delete and spur available soon. I've been testing it out and on my first pack ever running stock I went 2 tenths faster than I ever went running mod. The slipper delete and spur weight 4 grams total.
symmetricon is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 06:34 PM
  #4571  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (27)
 
symmetricon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: houston
Posts: 4,882
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

symmetricon is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 06:34 PM
  #4572  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (27)
 
symmetricon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: houston
Posts: 4,882
Trader Rating: 27 (100%+)
Default

symmetricon is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 06:38 PM
  #4573  
Tech Master
iTrader: (19)
 
Slapjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,065
Trader Rating: 19 (100%+)
Default

Speaking of the slipper delete... I run the exotek one on carpet but should I be running the slipper on med clay track? Or does it not matter? I'm running 13.5T motor on clay if that matter?

Last edited by Slapjack; 02-09-2017 at 06:55 PM.
Slapjack is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 10:51 PM
  #4574  
Tech Master
iTrader: (4)
 
fast-ho-cars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: it's a dry heat
Posts: 1,162
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Slapjack
Will this drop right into the Xb2? And would I would I need to change anything else like drive shafts or anything?
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-500/p493859

you will have to use the xray diff 53T gear in place of the yok/ae 52T, and use shims to secure it left and right in the gearbox. WIKI at front of this thread there are instructions to use yokomo ball diff puck system on a XB2

most metric cars share the same outdrive size and diff center bearings

saw a post somewhere on rctech of a XB2 using TLR diff, longer bones, hub carriers. and outdrives
fast-ho-cars is offline  
Old 02-10-2017, 03:18 AM
  #4575  
Tech Regular
 
scr8pn4205's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 275
Default

Originally Posted by symmetricon
how much lighter is it than the xray eliminator kit?
scr8pn4205 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.