Schumacher's new K2 4wd buggy ..!
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#16
I'm interested in the motor tranny assembly and if it can be adapted to the KF2 in the MM config to move the weight even further rearward? The belt might have clearance issues, but... hmmm.
Offhand, it looks like every a typical Schumacher car not suited for anything other than high grip non-US tracks. I think I'll pass on this one and keep day dreaming over my KF2 becoming competitive in the US.
Offhand, it looks like every a typical Schumacher car not suited for anything other than high grip non-US tracks. I think I'll pass on this one and keep day dreaming over my KF2 becoming competitive in the US.
#17
Tech Regular
JPDanger, in what way do you think this car will not work on dirt/clay tracks? With the K1 we found that the car on high grip was too reactive for the average club racer but was clearly fast enough in the right hands. We also see that on dirt this car looked very good, reports I had from the recent euros which was on dirt was the K1 looked planted.
I used to drive a SX3 which was real easy to drive but rewarding, when the K1 came along I found this harder to drive. The K1 had the motor rotation the opposite way than the SX3, on power the SX3 torque reaction was to put weight towards the rear whilst on the K1 was to the front.
The KF2 is so much nicer to drive than the K1 as you can push it harder and it rewards whilst with the K1 you had to be more careful.
I looked into making a 4wd KF2 but it looks like Schumacher beat me. The K2 has the motor rotation the same so the SX3, reports from the EOS on oOple say that the car accelerates like nothing else whilst also being flat with the car looking easier to drive and jumps well.
I'm looking forward to this car a lot, looks like the wallets going to be emptied again.
I used to drive a SX3 which was real easy to drive but rewarding, when the K1 came along I found this harder to drive. The K1 had the motor rotation the opposite way than the SX3, on power the SX3 torque reaction was to put weight towards the rear whilst on the K1 was to the front.
The KF2 is so much nicer to drive than the K1 as you can push it harder and it rewards whilst with the K1 you had to be more careful.
I looked into making a 4wd KF2 but it looks like Schumacher beat me. The K2 has the motor rotation the same so the SX3, reports from the EOS on oOple say that the car accelerates like nothing else whilst also being flat with the car looking easier to drive and jumps well.
I'm looking forward to this car a lot, looks like the wallets going to be emptied again.
#18
Tech Rookie
JPDanger, in what way do you think this car will not work on dirt/clay tracks? With the K1 we found that the car on high grip was too reactive for the average club racer but was clearly fast enough in the right hands. We also see that on dirt this car looked very good, reports I had from the recent euros which was on dirt was the K1 looked planted.
I used to drive a SX3 which was real easy to drive but rewarding, when the K1 came along I found this harder to drive. The K1 had the motor rotation the opposite way than the SX3, on power the SX3 torque reaction was to put weight towards the rear whilst on the K1 was to the front.
The KF2 is so much nicer to drive than the K1 as you can push it harder and it rewards whilst with the K1 you had to be more careful.
I looked into making a 4wd KF2 but it looks like Schumacher beat me. The K2 has the motor rotation the same so the SX3, reports from the EOS on oOple say that the car accelerates like nothing else whilst also being flat with the car looking easier to drive and jumps well.
I'm looking forward to this car a lot, looks like the wallets going to be emptied again.
I used to drive a SX3 which was real easy to drive but rewarding, when the K1 came along I found this harder to drive. The K1 had the motor rotation the opposite way than the SX3, on power the SX3 torque reaction was to put weight towards the rear whilst on the K1 was to the front.
The KF2 is so much nicer to drive than the K1 as you can push it harder and it rewards whilst with the K1 you had to be more careful.
I looked into making a 4wd KF2 but it looks like Schumacher beat me. The K2 has the motor rotation the same so the SX3, reports from the EOS on oOple say that the car accelerates like nothing else whilst also being flat with the car looking easier to drive and jumps well.
I'm looking forward to this car a lot, looks like the wallets going to be emptied again.
I can´t wait to see Schumacher´s final product, but I think this is 99% done ☺
1.For me it looks like it will be way more easy/faster to change belts now, whit out hitting you forehead in to the pit when a belt smaps ☺
2.Arhh. ☺ The KF2 rear, I like it so much, so easy to use, simple and good.
3. I have looked alot on the new front Roll bar, on the K2, im sure it will do the work way better then the old, dingy-thing on the k1, I just hope it can stand against the forces that might hit it from the front ☺
#19
Tech Master
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Let's not assume this is the 'final' final version., but ok, it might be! The EOS in Europe is a big deal and carpet focused buggies are more common to see now as well. The Worlds is in a few weeks, so for all we know this buggy may still get a few tweaks for production, and then for clay, maybe a 'clay track' package upgrade down the road. Either way I have never driven an SX3, but those who have, really liked them by the sounds of it.
#20
Tech Regular
Looking at the car from the EOS, the rear top deck has a lug with two holes on each side that seem redundant. I wonder if this car could have the motor position changed to being at the back, so then the rear top deck will be the front and the unused lugs will be for the steering bell cranks? If this is the case I guess the car would make awesome traction for dirt.
#21
Tech Master
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@badger5, a neat idea, but looking at the underside of the chassis, it goes not have any additional holes to accommodate the movement of the motor mount to anywhere but where it is now.
I hope they are working on a new body shell, the one used at last weekends EOS was, well, umm, not very pretty. I hope either the K1 or Aero bodies fit!
I hope they are working on a new body shell, the one used at last weekends EOS was, well, umm, not very pretty. I hope either the K1 or Aero bodies fit!
#22
Tech Regular
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Looking at the car from the EOS, the rear top deck has a lug with two holes on each side that seem redundant. I wonder if this car could have the motor position changed to being at the back, so then the rear top deck will be the front and the unused lugs will be for the steering bell cranks? If this is the case I guess the car would make awesome traction for dirt.
#23
Tech Regular
Four holes to mount a fan? You may be right but seems a bit excessive. Chassis could be pre production unit. I guess we will have to wait and see when they officially release the car, just seems odd to have those four holes in the top deck that aren't being used.
#24
I feel Schumacher has evolved to design cars that emphasizes alot on front/rear weight balance.
It will be mighty stupid to throw away what they've learn alot with K1 to make it work so well on dirt. This K2 prototype to me looks like utilizing the best of both worlds:
1. K1 Suspension
2. KF motor mounts
Ultimately, I feel the motor mounts can be moved along the centerline backwards to achieve the same front/rear balance as the K1 aero. It can be moved forward for high traction surfaces.
They catering for multiple battery positions, encompassing both saddles and shorty means they've kept that in view.
It will be mighty stupid to throw away what they've learn alot with K1 to make it work so well on dirt. This K2 prototype to me looks like utilizing the best of both worlds:
1. K1 Suspension
2. KF motor mounts
Ultimately, I feel the motor mounts can be moved along the centerline backwards to achieve the same front/rear balance as the K1 aero. It can be moved forward for high traction surfaces.
They catering for multiple battery positions, encompassing both saddles and shorty means they've kept that in view.
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I'm interested in the motor tranny assembly and if it can be adapted to the KF2 in the MM config to move the weight even further rearward? The belt might have clearance issues, but... hmmm.
Offhand, it looks like every a typical Schumacher car not suited for anything other than high grip non-US tracks. I think I'll pass on this one and keep day dreaming over my KF2 becoming competitive in the US.
Offhand, it looks like every a typical Schumacher car not suited for anything other than high grip non-US tracks. I think I'll pass on this one and keep day dreaming over my KF2 becoming competitive in the US.
#27
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Ben Jemison's K2
#30
Tech Apprentice
Schumacher are hoping to release this buggy at the end of October