New Schumacher KF2

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  • Quote: Yes. Race ready box stock with aluminum camber mounts and CF chassis weighed in at 1540g without a body. I believe if you remove the side rails and stiffeners you'll drop about 40g if memory serves???
    My car ready to race, is 1599 right now with the side rails off. I wanted to try small bore shocks, titanium turnbuckles, and CF chassis to cut some more weight.
  • Carbon chassis is 60g lighter than alum if Im remebering correctly...

    It add grip with more flex and raising cg slightly.. I didnt like the alum even on high bite
  • did a little weight balance measurements on Wednesday night with Maizer. the results might surprise you.

    first my KF2


    now the maizer-KF2
  • Its tough to get accurate reading on those scales unless you replace the shocks with turnbuckles.. preload can change the numbers alot
  • Quote: Its tough to get accurate reading on those scales unless you replace the shocks with turnbuckles.. preload can change the numbers alot
    As well as dirty tires. Remember, the rears will retain more dirt than the fronts, and throwing the numbers off.
  • Quote: Its tough to get accurate reading on those scales unless you replace the shocks with turnbuckles.. preload can change the numbers alot
    left to right "tweak" can be impacted for sure, but not front to rear balance --- which was my only analysis goal.

    Quote: As well as dirty tires. Remember, the rears will retain more dirt than the fronts, and throwing the numbers off.
    i can see this being impactful. maybe more impactful is that we have different tires.
  • I disagree... scales dont know which tire is on them
  • I always weighed my cars on the chassis.... tires are irrelvant for a weight distribution comparison since they are unsprung weight
  • You don't race your car with turnbuckles instead of shocks, why weigh it that way? Stop cheating the scales to get certain percentages and focus on how the changes you make effect handling. Yes preload effects scale readings, it's called weight transfer... one big reason for tuning your suspension and the whole reason to use scales.
  • Quote: You don't race your car with turnbuckles instead of shocks, why weigh it that way? Stop cheating the scales to get certain percentages and focus on how the changes you make effect handling. Yes preload effects scale readings, it's called weight transfer... one big reason for tuning your suspension and the whole reason to use scales.
    Valid point if you already have your electronics/chassis layout balanced, but trying to do that with the variable of shock pre-load is not the best idea.
  • Preload is unrelated to weight transfer, maybe you meant weight distribution? Anyhow... doesn't matter to me how you take the info I supply. Sounds like you guys have it all figured out, I'll leave you guys to the engineering.
  • Quote: Preload is unrelated to weight transfer, maybe you meant weight distribution? Anyhow... doesn't matter to me how you take the info I supply. Sounds like you guys have it all figured out, I'll leave you guys to the engineering.
    Hmmm, I was actually agreeing with you but I guess you could read that either way.
  • The scale Photo
    Let me just say this, that will explain the front to rear weight readings. The yellow buggy has a small servo and all stock front running gear. The white car, my car has a full size servo, aluminum steering rack, and front link mount. Also I have removed a lot of weight from the transmission and moved it back on the chassis as fare as I could. The battery is now in the center. Overall I feel the car is better on wet clay running slicks or treaded tires, at Critters. At Cruzzin I well the same. Now that I have the transmission/motor were I feel is best, I will work on my setup, as I have been running 1.8 rear springs and 4.0 fronts and all the other adjustments to cause less steering and more rear grip. Im sorry for not answering questions or posting photos on how to do what im doing with this car. I cant give away to much information, and would not even be talking about it if that photo did not get posted.
  • Why the secrecy?
  • Interesting. This is why I was very curious to see an actual measurement of this layout as eyeballing it does not always end up agreeing with the measured results, which in this case were counterintuitive (at least to me). But based on what Maizer is saying I do not think it was his intent for this design/experiment to be made public let alone scrutinized so I digress.

    With regards to the comments about the method of measuring used my question to anyone is: What are you trying to measure? If you want to determine where the center of mass is on the car then the best way to do that is how Tony has been suggesting. Remove and/or account for all the unsprung mass and take the spring pre-load out of the equation by using struts to set the suspension level at ride height. Once you can see where the center of mass moves as you make changes then you can start answering questions about dynamic weight transfer and handling.

    This is not to say that scaling a car on tires has no value. It is just not as accurate in determining the car's center of mass, which is the key element affecting the car's handling.