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Hi,

the goal of this topic is to list all tires available for indoor clay tracks and give a feedback about them based on your experience. I will edit the 1st post regularly so that everything is up to date and visible.

So, if you have an experience with a specific indoor clay tire and can give a feedback about what you liked or didn't like about it, please share!

Of course this thread is open to all rc scales: 1/10, 1/8, SCT, ST...

AKA: clay compound (pink color dot on tire)


AKA Handlebar (1/10, 1/8)



AKA introduce the Handlebar indoor low-profile tires. The patterns feature minimal tread height for speed, stability and traction on hard-packed surfaces. The leading and trailing edges of the treads have been rounded to minimize break-in time while AKA’s proprietary compounds provide low tire wear. The Handlebar is available in 1/10 Buggy rear and 2WD front, as well 1/8 Buggy in soft, super-soft, and the new clay compound. Kyosho’s Jared Tebo and Team Associated’s Ryan Cavalieri put their stamp of approval on the clay compound Handlebars at the 2013 CRCRC Midwest Champs. They put in a combined effort of 4-TQ’s and 4-1st place finishes in their first race on the new Handlebar tires.

AKA Rebar (1/10, SC)



Designed by Mark Pavidis and Jared Tebo AKA’s new Rebar Short Course tyre is ideally suited for indoor and hard packed, blue grooved outdoor tracks. The tyre features double side rails on the edges of the tire provide extra sidewall support. This extra support is key to making the tire feel consistent in the turns allowing for a more aggressive driving style. The wide staggered centre lugs give the tyre great forward traction to hook up the power and launch your vehicle off the corner and over the jumps.

AKA Typo (1/8, 1/10, SC)



Also new for the 1/8th buggy class is the Typo, a tread that started its life in the 1/10th buggy class. The Typo is a very low tread pattern that has been optimised for hard-packed indoor tracks and low dust, grooved outdoor tracks. They are available in AKA’s clay, super soft and soft compounds. It is understood that both tyres will also become available pre-mounted on white or yellow disc rims.

AKA Déjà Vu



The Deja Vu is a bar-type tyre for indoor clay and outdoor hard packed tracks. The taller tread pattern cuts through the dust and provides a longer wearing tyre for abrasive tracks.

AKA PinStripe



The 1:10 EVO Pinstripe is an excellent front tyre on both indoor clay and outdoor hard packed tracks. It’s bar pattern smooths out the steering and is a less aggressive alternate to the Typo front. Available in their race proven Clay, Super Soft, and Soft compounds for 2wd/4wd front applications.

AKA Wishbone



the Wishbone is suited to high bite blue grooved clay tracks or indoor clay tracks

AKA Gridiron 2



AKA updates their popular Gridiron tire to help control tire expansion, improve acceleration, plus it is 5% lighter than the original. Check out all the details in the press release below:
The latest addition to AKA’s 1:8 buggy tire line is the Gridiron II. The first update to the Gridiron is the World Championship winning carcass borrowed from the Impact tire. Waffle ribbing was added to help control tire expansion and the side pins are angled for better performance on rougher tracks. The tire is 5% lighter than the original, improving acceleration and all-around performance.


PROLINE MC compound (purple color dot on tire)


Proline Ion




The ION proved electrifying from the start, taking the ROAR National Championship in Pro-2 SC at the hands of Ryan Cavalieri! The ION was designed from the ground-up to be the ultimate indoor clay tire requiring zero break-in period and ground breaking performance. The unique molecular structure tread design provides unbelievable forward and side traction not yet achieved in any indoor race tire to date. Even with the super-low tread height, maximum wear is reached by the alternating dual center lugs. The ION is also extremely easy to drive due to the super-smooth side tread that flows organically out of the tire sidewall. Experience the difference these top performing Pro-Line tires make for yourself – Own some ION tires today!


Proline Suburbs



Introducing the next generation in indoor clay and outdoor blue-groove race tread technology from Pro-Line - the Suburbs 2.0 rear buggy tires. This tire represents the culmination of years of research, development and track testing to give you the best traction and the longest wear available. The Suburbs 2.0 feature a taller tread and more pins which provide longer wear and more traction. Subtle changes were made to the tread design to make them produce faster lap times on a variety of racing surfaces. If you were a fan of the original Suburbs buggy tire, you will love the Suburbs 2.0 because they are better in every way!

Proline Electron



Pro-Line engineers have emerged from the R&D lab with a new tread design to unleash to the World: the Electron 2.2” Front! So now you can get the Electron in standard 2.2” or 2.4” VTR mounting style. The Electron shares close family ties with Pro-Line’s popular ION tire with the iconic dirt grabbing center tread and futuristic styling. The Electron features connected tire tread technology to improve traction and wear on even the most abrasive of indoor track conditions. The square center pins laid out between the connected tread provide consistent forward and side bite even when the track gets dusty. Test drivers are amazed at the precision steering and super-fast corner speed that the Electrons provide. The Electron Wave is coming – Don’t get left behind in their wake. Get your own set of Electron tires now!

Proline Proton



The next generation of bar tire performance is here: the Pro-Line Proton! Based off of the incredibly successful V1 Suburbs design, the Proton achieves improved performance and durability on a wider range of track surfaces. Indoor 1/10 scale Off-Road racing has taken off around the world but the traction conditions can vary wildly from loose and dusty to super wheelie traction. The V1 Suburbs performs exceptionally well at tracks with pure clay and medium to high traction and the Proton eclipses its predecessor by providing more forward grip and being easier to drive. The Proton features the same low tread found in the V1 Suburbs but the tread is thicker front to back and is more spaced out for improved performance on loose and low traction indoor surfaces. The Proton made its race debut at Round 2 of JBRL at SDRC Raceway in San Diego under extreme secrecy and went on to take the TQ and Win at the hands of Pro-Line’s Cody Turner in the premier Mod Buggy class! If you want winning performance and scientifically proven next generation tire technology, then reach for the new Pro-Line Protons!



Proline Square Fuzzie



Pro-Line is bringing back one of the most successful and iconic tread patterns of all time; the World Champion Square Fuzzie. The original Square Fuzzie was so advanced for its time that it dominated the race tracks for many years and was never duplicated. Now, Pro-Line is proud to introduce the all new and improved Square Fuzzie as a worthy successor to the Original. The new Square Fuzzie features countless square micro-pins laid out in a traction inducing grid pattern that will stick to the track like Velcro. The long center bars provide tons of forward bite and improved wear over the Original. These tires are ideal for any indoor/outdoor hard-packed dirt track where bar-type tires are not getting the job done. The new Square Fuzzies will give you the confidence inspiring forward and side bite to propel you to the front!

The new Square Fuzzies are already proven winners taking the Victory in the hotly contested Stock Buggy class at the 2012 Novak Race(@ the HobbyPlex in Omaha, NE 1/8/2012) in the hands of Pro-Line’s Alex Eklund ! Here is what Alex had to say about the new Square Fuzzies: “The Square Fuzzies allowed me to drive deeper into a corner before braking and carry more corner speed and able to get back out of the corner hard and fast!! They were stuck to the track!”

Mac Mitchell , Pro-Line Team Driver and local legend in Arizona, had this to say about the new Square Fuzzies: “One word…. DIALED! These are a beast at SRS (Cactus Classic track). Incredible forward grip, solid side grip, great wear. What else can I ask for?”

Don’t just take our word for it, get the new Square Fuzzies now and be the first to dominate your track with Pro-Line’s proven micro-pin technology!


JCONCEPTS Gold compound (gold color dot on tire) or NEW soft clay compound (silver color dot on tire)

Jconcepts Bro Codes



This is a set of two JConcepts Bro Codes 2.2 Rear Buggy Tires. The Bro Code has been broken at JConcepts, as the famously referenced tires have been released. The Bar Code V1 design has been a hit as being the freshest tire design seen in the last 10 years of racing development. But as always, JConcepts understands tire development and the specific details which determine performance.

At first glance, Bros can be easily mistaken for the popular Bar Code but the details reveal a major difference. Introducing the first tire born as a Broken-in tread geared toward the finely tuned racer - Bro (Broken-in) Codes. Broken-in lugs on the leading edge of the entire tread form a finely knit pattern of newly formed low-profile features. Why do certain tires work while others do not? JConcepts knows the reason, and on prepared, wet clay surfaces there is a tremendous advantage to starting off on the right tire, tread height, wear and compound.

Jconcepts Bar Codes



The Code of Silence has been broken at JConcepts, and the Bar Codes are out. The Bar Code design is the freshest tire design seen in the last 10 years of racing development regardless of class and scale. Like the name suggests the alternating bar design combined with the addition of the Y side bars provide uncompromised support for blue and black groove conditions. Bar Codes are a specialty tire that when matched to the appropriate track can provide amazing results.

The Bar Codes are a part of the JConcepts special breed of tire, designed for maximum performance when new or used as the design allows even wear all the way down to the tire body. Bar Codes in new condition excel on hard surfaces that have taken rubber with either dry or wet grooved conditions. Worn Bar Codes excel on indoor or outdoor clay tracks where a minimal dust groove has formed.


Jconcepts Dirt Webs



During 2012, legendary tire builder, Brian Kinwald, came up with a hand-made tire design. After testing at tracks around the country and working together with JConcepts designer Jason Ruona, the Dirt Webs tire was born. Production tire versions debuted during the 2013 IFMAR World Championships at Silver Dollar Raceway in Chico, CA, where Ryan Maifield used the front tire to his advantage during the A-Final events taking the fastest lap times on his way to a 3rd overall podium finish in the 2wd class.

The tread, originally based on the popular Pressure Points tire design connects uniformly positioned Web-Bars to create an amazingly stable tire. The Web-Bar treatment delivers massive forward acceleration; however, the design does not stop there. Inside the supported bar portion rests horizontal and vertical alternating bars which help balance side-bite and backs up the Web-Bars to help minimize wear. Down in the corners, small Pressure Point sized pins break-in quickly providing surface area for specialty indoor racing and also lend a helping hand to stabilize the tire in extreme high-grip conditions.

The outer edges feature a single rib on each side which proves extra side-bite during heavy cornering and side-loading characteristics. The Dirt Web thread sits on the proven "Bar Code" tire carcass giving the tire a low-profile, wide-body appearance allowing clipped tread to extend all the way to the outer edges. The carefully shaped profile allows a great balance of monster forward traction and comfortable side-bite. Available in multiple compounds, the Dirt Webs can easily be matched to any track conditions ranging from indoor clay, indoor dirt to outdoor hard-packed or treated clay or dirt.

Jconcepts 3D's



This is a set of two JConcepts 3D's 2.2 Rear 1/10 Buggy Tires. Straight-out of the JConcepts Third Dimension are the creatively designed 3D's 1/10th buggy race tire. Debuted at the IFMAR World Championships in Pattaya, Thailand for the 1/8th buggy class, the 3D's designed by Jason Ruona and tested by the JConcepts Team are a first of their kind. Developed to be the ultimate Slick-groove tire, the 3D's are a first to combine the high-stability design of a black groove bar tire into an individually flexible pattern of finely spaced Double Dee lugs in one package.

The roots of the 3D's design came after extensive research and development over a period of 2 racing seasons. As racing on both indoor and outdoor conditions have matured, a more flexible, supremely grippy tire design was necessary to drive the edgy, fast pace. The 3D's grip as a new, highly sought after, favorite in these conditions. 3D's excel on indoor and outdoor hard packed surfaces with either dry or wet conditions. Drivers will feel the immediate impact of the exclusive design and proprietary rubber compound as they rip around the track at blistering speeds. An all-out design for racing, pure JConcepts.


Jconcepts Pressure Points


JConcepts Pressure Points are the latest low-height tread option specifically designed to tame high-speed courses with either wet or blue groove traction conditions. The design starts as an angular, low pin design as a carryover from the successful Bar Codes front tire line-up. The small “points” combined with “lower case” Y elements developed on the original Bar Codes V1 rear tire provide the ultimate in surface area “pressure” penetration and tack.

The inner carcass and side-wall has built-in ribbing which limits carcass collapse and increases support on the outside during hard cornering and driving. The inner ribbing, combined with the included JConcepts insert, is a perfect match to provide the ultimate in support, traction and consistency. Pressure Points are designed to be driven hard while maintaining the grip necessary to drive at the limit. The edges of the side-walls have been carefully rolled for a smooth transition during cornering which limits traction-roll characteristics and allows the driver control during the all important tipping point every driver has experienced.


PANTHER

Panther Rattler



The Panther Rattler has a great balance of forward bite and side bite that is needed to run on medium to high bite hard packed surfaces. The drier the track, the harder the compound of tire you should use (ie: soft when moist, med-soft when dry), and "Clay" compound is ideal for colder weather and or hard packed tracks.

Panther Switch



The switch tread pattern works best for hard packed blue groove tracks. The drier the track, the harder the compound of tire you should use (ie: soft when moist, med-soft when dry), and "Clay" compound is ideal for colder weather and or hard packed tracks.


Panther Bobcat



The drier the track, the harder the compound of tire you should use (ie: soft when moist, med-soft when dry), and "Clay" compound is ideal for colder weather and or hard packed tracks.

Panther Raptor



This tire is recommended for hard packed dry tracks with a light dust. The drier the track, the harder the compound of tire you should use (ie: soft when moist, med-soft when dry), and "Clay" compound is ideal for colder weather and or hard packed tracks.

Panther slicks (clay)



The slick tire is designed to be used on very hard packed, blue groove tracks. The drier the track, the harder the compound of tire you should use (ie: soft when moist, med-soft when dry), and "Clay" compound is ideal for colder weather and or hard packed tracks.

Hotbodies Beams



Hot Bodies Beams tires are suitable for hard & dry off-road surfaces such as hard-packed clay and 'blue groove' high bite conditions. With Criss-cross bars crossing the tire and mini-pins in between they resemble an unfinished skyscraper in appearance. Scraping up traction where there is none.

Hotbodies Fullslots



Hot Bodies Fullslot tires are suitable for hard & dry off-road surfaces such as hard-packed clay and 'blue groove'. Pins and bars combined with ribs running the sides of the tires make these good for a multitude of surfaces as well as providing consistent side bite. These tires complement HB Beams tires well.

Sweep 10Droid



Sweep Racing have released their first 1/10th offroad buggy rear tire, the Tendroid. The Bar pattern was designed to have maximum forward bite on hard packed clay tracks, while droids control the side bite. Combined together, the 10droid has optimum traction and a long life span. Available in 4 different rubber compounds, Silver (Ultra soft), Blue (Extra Soft), Red (Soft) and White (Medium), available to suit any track conditions.

Sweep Nonslip (clay)



Sweep Racing introduce the Nonslip slick tyres for 1/10th buggies. Available as 2WD/4WD front and rear tyre in ultra soft Silver, extra soft Blue, soft Red, medium White and a special clay compound, the tyres are made for all track slick tyres can be run on such as specially prepped clay and some carpet tracks.

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You can also add:

jConcepts:
V1 and V2 barcodes
Dirt Webs

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Based on the above list:

I have used:
Barcodes (V1 rears)
Suburbs
Scrubs (fronts)
Suburb (fronts)
Typos
Deja Vu
Pinstripe
Electrons
Transistors
Dirt Webs (barrowed a set to run this past Friday)
In all the corresponding clay compounds

I've used molded AKA inserts in almost all of the above, some I have tried stock foams, some I have ran the PL molded foams. All can work, though it may take a lot longer to get some of the tires to work or would need the right track conditions/setup to get the most out of a given tire choice. Almost all will need some kind of break in period. Again, some will take longer than others. The molded foams may need to be broke in some as well before the whole package works the best. Some patience and practice time will need to happen. If in a hurry, you can run the tires on the pavement to help scrub in the tires faster, buzz them on a concrete wall, use a dremel, sand them, or what ever the case may be.
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what about Sweep? they got clay slicks, and 10droids
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Panther also sells slicks for damp clay.
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I'll add them , didn't expect the choice was so big!

can someone help me to find the corresponding clay compound for each brand?

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Going off my local track conditions:
We do sauce. If the tires aren't squealing in and out of the corners, they aren't there yet. Below info is from use on a 2wd buggy (mod with a 7.5 and some light stock 17.5/13.5 running)

Barcodes:
Pretty much the standard default tire to run for the track. If all else fails, those usually always work. They are almost no good when brand new with new molded foams. They take a while to get them broke in to the sweet spot, but once there, are usually good for a couple months of racing or better (depending on how much racing one does and how much sauce is used on them)

With AKA or Pl molded inserts, the tire has a much more rounded profile. With the JC molded, they are a much flatter profile. Can't say for sure which one is better, but most I know opt for the AKA foams.

Good forward bite, with some real good side bite. A very predictable tire to run once broke in and is usually a fast tire or a faster tire to run. Steering wise with Barcode fronts, can feel a bit pushy when new, but do last a lot longer than the rears, and when the tires are broke in, have a very consistent feel. Doesn't feel like they over steer or under steer. Many who run Barcodes will run them front and rear.


Suburbs (rear):
Has some of the most forward bite I have used. Side bite is a bit hit or miss. Doesn't always feel super predictable. Could be because of the tread height, but just don't seem to be very favored by most. They do take forever to get broke in enough to where they will work (if just running them in, the use of something to take the tread height down enough, would probably help them work better sooner, I haven't went that route as of yet). I have got them to work decently enough, but not always a fast tire option. I have tried them with the stock foams and they did seem to work better. Felt a little more consistent. Can also help it the track is a bit dry or dryish with gaining some extra rear traction.
Suburb (front):
These have an insane amount of steering. Possibly the most I have run. When used with something like the Barcode (V1) on the rear that keeps the rear more locked in, works very good. When used with a rear Suburb, has so much steering on the front end, the back end will snap around almost at will. This is a front tire that many would need to be careful which rear tire they choose, or could need to back off the dual rate a bunch to keep from over steering.
Scrubs:
With the AKA foams, can be a bit pushy feeling when new, or when the track is too wet. A good front tire when broke in, but how they may feel could be directly related to the rear tire of choice. I think the use of the stock front foam (either a full foam stuffed in there or a 3/4 foam), could help them work better on a wider variety conditions. When paired with the Suburbs, seem to work pretty good and the Suburbs seem to stay under the rear more consistently. Not sure why that is. These are a directional front tire as well, so be careful which way you mount them.

Typos:
When these came out, they almost knocked the trusty barcodes out of the default track tire for the local track. They don't seem to need a very long break in period. Somewhere between a practice pack or three and they are usually pretty close to being right where they need to be. Forward bite is pretty good. The side bite feels a bit progressive. In that they don't exactly have a ton instantly where they'd want to traction roll, but doesn't just snap loose. They will eventually, but feel like the further into a corner they go, the more side bite they have.
The fronts seem to work really well with the rears. Have a solid steering feel, not over steering, but plenty of steering. My only complaint with the fronts is that the foams don't seem to hold up as long as the older 2.2 style foams did/do. Not sure why that is. The rears can get to feeling the same way, but I've always felt the fronts get that feel first. They still work well, just something that tends to bug many I know who run them often. When running the whole Typo setup, they feel very consistent out on the track. The only reason they would have taken over the default tire honors, would be because they don't need a ton of brake in time to start turning fast laps. Still one of my go to tire setups to run.

Deja Vu/Pinstripe:
Deja Vu's are a lot like the suburb rears in that they have a lot of forward bite, but don't seem the have a consistent side bite feel to them. I have got them to work, but I think if the tread height was about half of what they are, could work better sooner. As such, I haven't put a ton of runs in with them, but the last few times I have used them they were much better.
Pinstripe's work well, but similar to the Scrub's, can feel pushy. For me even more so. I'm told that if you take off the very outer and inner rib off they work much better, though I have yet to try that. When paired with the Deja Vu rears, work decently enough to run. Not super fast lap times, but workable. The one thing I feel with that setup is that if you over drive the tires, that's when they don't feel the best. Kind of like how Holeshots always felt to me. If you didn't over drive the tire, they could be fast, but over drive them and they were anything but.

Electron (f/r)/Transistor:
As of late, these have been my go to tire setup. Brake in seems to be on par with the Typos, with the rears feeling a bit more aggressive in both forward and side bite. Just feel like you can drive them harder before getting into trouble. Once broke/worn in, have a very distinct sound to them. Almost sounds like you're ripping Velcro apart. The down side to the rears is that they don't seem to last as long as some like or would like.
Electron/transistor fronts:
These both are a good paring to the Electron rears. The Transistors have a Barcode front feel to them. Pretty balanced feeling, maybe slightly on the push side, with a consistent steering feel. The Electron fronts have a feel of more steering similar to a Typo front with out feeling like they over steer. For me, if I run these tires and start with the Transistor and feel like I need just a little more steering, I switch to the Electron and have the exact setup I want/need. This setup for me is a very consistent setup to run, with the setup leaning more to the aggressive side.
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now that's a feedback! thanks Teufel Racing, this will be helpful for many drivers

what compounds do you use generally?
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Originally Posted by Pulse_ View Post
I'll add them , didn't expect the choice was so big!

can someone help me to find the corresponding clay compound for each brand?

Proline:
MC (purple color dot on tire)
jConcepts:
Gold (gold color dot on tire)
Silver (silver color dot on tire (the new soft clay compound)
AKA:
Clay (pink color dot on tire I believe)
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Originally Posted by Teufel Racing View Post
Proline:
MC (purple color dot on tire)
jConcepts:
Gold (gold color dot on tire)
Silver (silver color dot on tire (the new soft clay compound)
AKA:
Clay (pink color dot on tire I believe)
you're the man , I'll add this immediately
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How is the silver compound compared to the gold?
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now that's a feedback! thanks Teufel Racing, this will be helpful for many drivers

what compounds do you use generally?

I hope it will prove helpful, though I fully suspect results may vary between drivers/tracks.

Almost missed your question.

At my local track, I only run the clay compounds from the corresponding tire Mfg's. Since we do sauce, it almost seems counter productive to run a harder rubber tire, sauce, make the rubber softer, get the results. Whereas, conventional wisdom may suggest that if doing that, why not just use a soft or super soft to begin with. Which would have been my exact thought, though for whatever reason the softs and super softs always feel super greesy out on the track and don't feel like they are hooking up. When there is a fresh green layout, softs and super softs will work better, but it's only for a day or two. Now I say/type that knowing full well that I once took a set of green super soft Barcodes F/R, sauced the bejesus out of them and had them so soft, they had so much side bite/roll over that there were slow in the corners, but could do a standing backflip on the start line when the tone went off. LOL.
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How is the silver compound compared to the gold?
Slightly softer is what I was told. Basically helps the tires brake in faster and I would think could be better suited to a drier track than a gold might be. A few of the locals have just started running the silver Dirt Webs and so far seem to like them.
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you're the man , I'll add this immediately
It is also rumored to be that jConcepts will be making their own slicks soon as well.
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Originally Posted by Teufel Racing View Post
I hope it will prove helpful, though I fully suspect results may vary between drivers/tracks.

Almost missed your question.

At my local track, I only run the clay compounds from the corresponding tire Mfg's. Since we do sauce, it almost seems counter productive to run a harder rubber tire, sauce, make the rubber softer, get the results. Whereas, conventional wisdom may suggest that if doing that, why not just use a soft or super soft to begin with. Which would have been my exact thought, though for whatever reason the softs and super softs always feel super greesy out on the track and don't feel like they are hooking up. When there is a fresh green layout, softs and super softs will work better, but it's only for a day or two. Now I say/type that knowing full well that I once took a set of green super soft Barcodes F/R, sauced the bejesus out of them and had them so soft, they had so much side bite/roll over that there were slow in the corners, but could do a standing backflip on the start line when the tone went off. LOL.
standing backflip and wheelies in the turns YEEHAAAA

maybe I should add some tire sauce options to the thread.. didn't even think about it! are there many types available on the market? I'm a complete noob here

btw your interventions are more than helpful, you seem very knowledgeable about the subject!
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