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Old 02-10-2014, 11:58 AM
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OK, I know is a dumb question with no diffinitive answer but here goes anyway.

I have been racing r/c my son for 25 years and it is still great to be able to get out together but it has been a long time since we have done any off road racing. What I would like to do is intruduce my grandson to the sport. So, I was looking to get him a 4wd buggy that he can waz around the park until he ha the skills to take to the track. What I don't want is to buy a toy for him to "play with" and break after 5 mins, then have to upgrade to something more competative in 6 months.

From experience I know that yoiu get what you pay for and I would rather buy quality S/H than brand new tat.

With that in mind what car would you recommend for durability, serviceabily, cost of spares and ease of driving? I don't think demon speed is that important at the moment

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4wd buggy isn't the class to learn in and honestly most of the cars aren't that strong. What you want is a 4wd SCT. I got my son a Losi-SCTE RTR and if he ever decides to come racing again it will do him just fine. For now he runs it at the park with his buddies.
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If you must get a 4wd buggy be prepared to do maintenance.

Buy a used AE B44.

4wd buggies are very low to the ground, designed for racing surfaces.

I would suggest a 2wd 1/10 buggy that is popular at the closest track you will be racing. AE, Losi or Kyosho... they are all fantastic and often supported by local tracks, or at least the internet.
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I have heard a lot of great things about the new losi 22-4.
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I'd get a 2nd hand xb4. Hard to break.
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I would go with xb4 too very durable and it has gear diffs. The ball diffs can be pain on 4wd. I honestly wouldn't run a 4wd 1/10 in a park not enough ground clearance to run in grass. Most are strictly built for racing
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Losi 22-4 search no more!!
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Originally Posted by tommy911t View Post

I would suggest a 2wd 1/10 buggy
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I am new, but I have been researching the snot out of this for the last month or two.

IMO....Hands down, get an Sworkz BX1E. Its SUPER DURABLE, RTR, and completely able to be raced and to win races. 519.00 at Amain, and he should be good for a while....Later on, you can upgrade the electronics. The sworkz rtr is almost part for part the same as the race kit. Its not some dumbed down, plsticky, soft junk like some of the other rtrs out there

I just bought my kid a short course, and I wish I would have just got him a Buggy.
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For getting started I would recommend a 1/8 ebug. In particular the Agama is extremely durable. The price is not that much more than a 1/10 buggy & is right in line with a 4wd sct (which will break, kill lipo's, & have short run times).

For a comparison:
KIT PRICE
1/10 buggy - $400, sct - $450, 1/8 - $500

ESC
1/10 - $230, sct & 1/8 - $210

MOTOR
1/10 - $100, sct - $160, 1/8 - $170

STEERING SERVO
1/10 buggy & sct - $75, 1/8 - $95

TX/RX
exactly the same for all 3

LIPO
1/10 buggy - $55, sct - $55, 1/8 - $85 (hobbyking.com has 5000mah 30c 4s packs for $25+shipping though making them the cheapest )

WHEELS & TIRES
1/10 buggy - $40, sct - $60, 1/8 - $60

SPARE PARTS
1/10 - cheapest but will break substantially more often, sct - parts cost in the middle & things will break on occasion, 1/8 - if you run full speed into a wall multiple times in a row you may break something on an Agama, but maybe not, if something does break it will cost more than the other 2

TOTAL INITIAL COST
1/10 buggy - $900, sct - $1010, 1/8 - $1120

These prices are from amain & don't include any discounts & are not the cheapest brands (AE, TLR, Agama, tekin, savox, smc, proline) & have been rounded off. While the 1/10 4wd buggy is the cheapest, it is the easiest to break, the tires wear out the fastest & in general will cost more to maintain. The 4wd sct is middle of the road of everything. The 1/8 ebug costs the most initially, but will have the lowest maintenance cost by a long shot.

Also, look at the classes being run at your local track. the 1/10 4wd is not a very big class. If he does end up wanting to race, there may not be a class for him. 4wd sct is popular, but on a decline in my area, maybe in other areas also. 1/8 ebug is THE up & coming class across the country. It is here for the long run.

One word of warning. All of these buggies are FAST & will HURT if they hit someone. What ever transmitter you get, turn down the throttle endpoint to limit top speed until he gets used to it.
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Thanks guys, he already has an HPI bullet flux that he controls pretty well but understeer is awful so trying to get around a track at anything faster than a snails pace takes some doing. I want to get something that he can hone his skill more the thrash about, don't want to put him on a track when he might damage other peoples cars as well as his own.

Motors, radio, batteres, charger are no a problem, already have all that stuff, maintaince isn't an issue either as I have be doing that for the past 25 years but some cars are not as maintainance freindly as other and I'm not clued up with the current crop of competition of buggies.

Here in the UK a lot of the off road tracks are laid on grass and the grass in my local park is always well manicured and would not cause any problems for a competition buggy.

I currently race an Xray t4 tc so gave the B4 a very close look, others that have caught my eye are the schuie K1 and durango

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DO NOT BUY A LEARNER AN E-BUGGY THEY ARE BULLETS IN THE WRONG HANDS. I also agree on the 2wd buggy. 2 wheel drive make you a better driver and if you get fast with 2wd transitions to other classes will be a breeze.
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Originally Posted by Waflet View Post
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For getting started I would recommend a 1/8 ebug. In particular the Agama is extremely durable. The price is not that much more than a 1/10 buggy & is right in line with a 4wd sct (which will break, kill lipo's, & have short run times).

For a comparison:
KIT PRICE
1/10 buggy - $400, sct - $450, 1/8 - $500

ESC
1/10 - $230, sct & 1/8 - $210

MOTOR
1/10 - $100, sct - $160, 1/8 - $170

STEERING SERVO
1/10 buggy & sct - $75, 1/8 - $95

TX/RX
exactly the same for all 3

LIPO
1/10 buggy - $55, sct - $55, 1/8 - $85 (hobbyking.com has 5000mah 30c 4s packs for $25+shipping though making them the cheapest )

WHEELS & TIRES
1/10 buggy - $40, sct - $60, 1/8 - $60

SPARE PARTS
1/10 - cheapest but will break substantially more often, sct - parts cost in the middle & things will break on occasion, 1/8 - if you run full speed into a wall multiple times in a row you may break something on an Agama, but maybe not, if something does break it will cost more than the other 2

TOTAL INITIAL COST
1/10 buggy - $900, sct - $1010, 1/8 - $1120

These prices are from amain & don't include any discounts & are not the cheapest brands (AE, TLR, Agama, tekin, savox, smc, proline) & have been rounded off. While the 1/10 4wd buggy is the cheapest, it is the easiest to break, the tires wear out the fastest & in general will cost more to maintain. The 4wd sct is middle of the road of everything. The 1/8 ebug costs the most initially, but will have the lowest maintenance cost by a long shot.

Also, look at the classes being run at your local track. the 1/10 4wd is not a very big class. If he does end up wanting to race, there may not be a class for him. 4wd sct is popular, but on a decline in my area, maybe in other areas also. 1/8 ebug is THE up & coming class across the country. It is here for the long run.

One word of warning. All of these buggies are FAST & will HURT if they hit someone. What ever transmitter you get, turn down the throttle endpoint to limit top speed until he gets used to it.
This has to be the worst advice I've seen given in a long time. An elec 1/8 is not for a beginner. They are way too fast and heavy and will hurt somebody.

A 1/10 2wd short course would be a great entry point into the hobby for a beginner.
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This has to be the worst advice I've seen given in a long time. An elec 1/8 is not for a beginner. They are way too fast and heavy and will hurt somebody.

A 1/10 2wd short course would a great entry point into the hobby for a beginner.
durable, easy to maintain, simple design, cheap! (all is relative of course)
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Hands down a XB4
Durability is great
Ease of maintenance diff fluid swap in minutes
Hard to beat xray quality.
I've had the b44.2, the Durango, and got the xray. Haven't looked back since.
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