Are 1/8 electric not reliable?
08-27-2013, 05:48 AM
#31
Originally Posted by PFKAOG
Most hacks dont realize they are hacks
Az
Sounds like the 1/8 E guys at your track don't know how to drive. 
May i ask what classes you run that makes you superior to theses "hacks"?
08-27-2013, 10:43 AM
#32
Suspended
Originally Posted by PFKAOG
Most hacks dont realize they are hacks
Az
08-27-2013, 10:47 AM
#33
Originally Posted by PFKAOG
That's what they say publicly as to what happen but in reality they probably shut off from the esc getting too hot
08-27-2013, 11:26 AM
#34
e-buggy is the fastest growing and largest class at my track. I have seen some brand new e-buggies this year, but none of the nitro buggies are new. All new cash is being spent on electric. The nitro buggies are asking if they can run with us, not the other way around.
Bypassing the ESC is one of the first things I was shown how to do by the experienced racers on week one. It was kind of like "replace the stock servo, buy the tire of your choice from this list, bypass this switch and your good to go, now the rest is up to you. Don't crash."
I am amazed at the amount of DNF's in pro races period, makes me feel less bad about my occasional DNF.
Bypassing the ESC is one of the first things I was shown how to do by the experienced racers on week one. It was kind of like "replace the stock servo, buy the tire of your choice from this list, bypass this switch and your good to go, now the rest is up to you. Don't crash."
I am amazed at the amount of DNF's in pro races period, makes me feel less bad about my occasional DNF.
08-27-2013, 11:40 AM
#35
Switches getting knocked off is nothing new. The proper way to correct it is to mount it in a fashion where impacts wont' affect it. This can take some thought during the install but if that thought saves your race....it's time well spent.
Today's electronics have gotten better. This class is still an infant compared to it's nitro breathing brethren. Electric cars as you all saw with Lutz driving can hit jumps faster, harder and fly much further than their nitro counterparts. This leads to harsher impacts and at times, damage.
Nothing is bomb proof in this sport. I've seen servos blow their guts out, nitro engine cases get cracked, chassis braces snap and bend, you name it.
E buggy is growing world wide. For me it was the ability to run the class without a pit man. I like nitro and the "feel" it has with long mains and rewarding those that are consistently fast, not just sprint fast. The problem is that to do it well requires two people at all times. Electric 1/8 gives us the speed, size, and durability while being able to do it without a pit man.
Today's electronics have gotten better. This class is still an infant compared to it's nitro breathing brethren. Electric cars as you all saw with Lutz driving can hit jumps faster, harder and fly much further than their nitro counterparts. This leads to harsher impacts and at times, damage.
Nothing is bomb proof in this sport. I've seen servos blow their guts out, nitro engine cases get cracked, chassis braces snap and bend, you name it.
E buggy is growing world wide. For me it was the ability to run the class without a pit man. I like nitro and the "feel" it has with long mains and rewarding those that are consistently fast, not just sprint fast. The problem is that to do it well requires two people at all times. Electric 1/8 gives us the speed, size, and durability while being able to do it without a pit man.
08-27-2013, 12:15 PM
#36
Electric is definitely more reliable than nitro. The chassis are the same except with electric there are no starting issues, no flame outs, no idle issues, no runaways.
Just like a nitro car, if you run your setup too hard (elec- heat, nitro- lean) you will have problems. The loose nut behind the wheel is usually the source of reliability issues in this hobby.
Just like a nitro car, if you run your setup too hard (elec- heat, nitro- lean) you will have problems. The loose nut behind the wheel is usually the source of reliability issues in this hobby.
08-27-2013, 12:18 PM
#37
Tech Apprentice
Originally Posted by Davidka
The loose nut behind the wheel is usually the source of reliability issues in this hobby.
Well said!
08-27-2013, 12:33 PM
#38
Suspended
Originally Posted by PFKAOG
That's what they say publicly as to what happen but in reality they probably shut off from the esc getting too hot
because cars have been switching off since the dawn on time (nitro and elect.), and if a motor overheated merely switching it off and on does nothing.
and comparatively, I don't think I've ever seen a nitro race that had fewer reliability issues (including flameouts) than an electric race.
08-27-2013, 12:48 PM
#39
Look well at the vid. and use ur Brain
Originally Posted by dwgcooks
Yeah that track did look tough but I noticed a lot more failures with the electric cars more than the nitro cars as a whole. Maybe it is because the electrics are faster and the racers were going bigger. I know going big hurts sometimes.
I think Tebo should invest in what ever switch Lutz was using.
I think Tebo should invest in what ever switch Lutz was using.
Just like in Nitro the On/Off is a week link, eliminate it.
Also Deans come apart the New New is 5mm Bullets.Direct from the ESC. Try it!!
Last edited by XXXDad; 08-27-2013 at 06:36 PM.
08-27-2013, 02:03 PM
#40
Originally Posted by dwgcooks
I was watching the Neobuggy races on Youtube and noticed a lot of the 1/8 electric cars were stopping dead. These are the top guys at this race and it was a surprise to me to see so many failures.
Tebo was racing in one semi with around 10 drivers and had something go wrong with his car early in the race. The camera followed the car into the pits and his pit guy must have fixed it quickly. Battery change? who knows. It was only around 3 minutes into a 10 minute semi.
So Tebo "breaks" 3 minutes in and gets repaired for at least a minute and goes from dead last to finishing fifth in a 10 minute race. The reason he did so well was because a lot of the other cars were also having reliability issues.
One dead car was picked up by a crew member the side of the body pulled up and she reached in a did something, not sure what. Then she threw the car on the track and off it goes like nothing happened. What did she do in there to fix the car so quickly? Is there a reset button?
Tebo was racing in one semi with around 10 drivers and had something go wrong with his car early in the race. The camera followed the car into the pits and his pit guy must have fixed it quickly. Battery change? who knows. It was only around 3 minutes into a 10 minute semi.
So Tebo "breaks" 3 minutes in and gets repaired for at least a minute and goes from dead last to finishing fifth in a 10 minute race. The reason he did so well was because a lot of the other cars were also having reliability issues.
One dead car was picked up by a crew member the side of the body pulled up and she reached in a did something, not sure what. Then she threw the car on the track and off it goes like nothing happened. What did she do in there to fix the car so quickly? Is there a reset button?
Depending on the electronics, battery and how well you take care of them, they can be very reliable. Trust me, if my 8th scale cars were not, I would have been done with this class years ago.
Originally Posted by XXXDad
Its the On/Off or the stupid Deans... even some Pro still use outdated stuff. If you can cut off the on/off switch and solder the wires together, then do it!
Just like in Nitro the On/Off is a week link, eliminate it.
Also Deans come apart the New New is 5mm Bullets.Direct to the ESC. Try it!!
Just like in Nitro the On/Off is a week link, eliminate it.
Also Deans come apart the New New is 5mm Bullets.Direct to the ESC. Try it!!
08-27-2013, 04:43 PM
#41
I've been running Deans in Ebuggies/Truggies since 2009, never had one fail. Sure, they get loose over time, but I just replace them. It's good to redo the wiring somewhat often anyways, it all gets stressed when racing and degrades. I also mount my switches ON forward and haven't had one turn off on me that I can remember. I've DNF'd races, but it's usually for pinions falling off (doh) battery dumping early (...yeah) blown servo, broken shock shaft, blown bearing...I think they are equally prone to failure.
08-27-2013, 05:07 PM
#42
Originally Posted by Davidka
Electric is definitely more reliable than nitro. The chassis are the same except with electric there are no starting issues, no flame outs, no idle issues, no runaways.
Just like a nitro car, if you run your setup too hard (elec- heat, nitro- lean) you will have problems. The loose nut behind the wheel is usually the source of reliability issues in this hobby.
Just like a nitro car, if you run your setup too hard (elec- heat, nitro- lean) you will have problems. The loose nut behind the wheel is usually the source of reliability issues in this hobby.
08-27-2013, 06:18 PM
#43
Originally Posted by jmackani
I have information that can contradict this tied directly to hobby shop sales from two years of roar nationals being run back to back at the same facility. Fuels Nats last year and e-Nats this year. Almost 300 entries last year and 189 this year. Guess which year had higher sales? It was not last year.
If they were, how do you know that the Nitro guys didn't arrive with more extra equipment? (most nitro drivers I know carry multiple engines, I have not seen many electric drivers do this)
08-27-2013, 06:24 PM
#44
Lol whats the deal with some people with the Deans plug and Solid bullet connecters into the lipos. ive had 0 issues with ethier on my 4x4 SC and E-Truggy. Just stop pulling the Bullets out the lipos you shouldnt have a issue with them going bad or pulling out.
ESC switches the only one i had to cut off for sure was the Castle Mamba esc one . It depends on how good the switches are some are much better than others.
And no Knockoff Deans plugs lol they really gave me issues .
ESC switches the only one i had to cut off for sure was the Castle Mamba esc one . It depends on how good the switches are some are much better than others.
And no Knockoff Deans plugs lol they really gave me issues .
08-27-2013, 06:41 PM
#45
Originally Posted by Davidka
How do you know sales were driven by reliability issues?
If they were, how do you know that the Nitro guys didn't arrive with more extra equipment? (most nitro drivers I know carry multiple engines, I have not seen many electric drivers do this)
If they were, how do you know that the Nitro guys didn't arrive with more extra equipment? (most nitro drivers I know carry multiple engines, I have not seen many electric drivers do this)
