TLR 22 2.0 Race Kit: 1/10 2WD Buggy thread
Not really. On Maifields set up on the front link it has 3mm inside and and out. On JP's set up it has 2mm inside and out. Since your raising or lowering the same on both ends is it changing the roll center? What effect does it have changing both ends the same amount? I know I like the feel of 2.5mm on both ends better than 3mm on both, but I can't tell what it is really changing.
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Without getting into a full technical lesson. Changing the angle of the rod changes the roll center. Same with raising and lowering the rod it changes the roll center.
If you raise both equal you are extending the roll center which slows the roll. If you lower both you increase the roll center. If you lower the inner you increase roll center, lower the outer you reduce roll center.
I hope I got the directions correct but the idea is the same. There is a thread on camber tuning that is helpful.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ber-links.html
If you raise both equal you are extending the roll center which slows the roll. If you lower both you increase the roll center. If you lower the inner you increase roll center, lower the outer you reduce roll center.
I hope I got the directions correct but the idea is the same. There is a thread on camber tuning that is helpful.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ber-links.html
Tech Adept
People aren't hot on that setup because it is Maifield's, they really like it because it drives awesome. People tend to try new setups when they come out, then either like it and continue to run it OR go back to the setup they have been running. Lots of people have just really liked his setup, the way it drives and performs fits the driving style of many. For me, the real difference, is that his setup is easier to drive than some of the others, but still has a lot of natural speed.
I run his setup with the only change being 2 hole pistons (1.5 front, 1.6 rear).
Thanks!
Frank
I run his setup with the only change being 2 hole pistons (1.5 front, 1.6 rear).
Thanks!
Frank
It seems the pendulum has swung back a little and a place for both motor configurations has been found. I wouldn't have said this a year ago when it seemed to me that MM was going to eventually take over as people started to figure out how to get it to work on more than just extremely high grip surfaces.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. In your experience what have you noticed by running the side pod weights and shorty vs the saddle? Before I spend the money on side pod weights and battery weights I would like to hear about others experiences.
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I actually tried Maifields JC Fall Indoor Nat's on a typical slippy indoor UK track, which was 70% super slippy polished floor and 30% carpet (Mainly on the straight) and I was super surprised at how good it was.. Considering at least how wildly different the tracks where, so it just goes to show how good the balance of the setup is.
I didn't follow it word for word, for example I used saddle packs rather than shorty but I didn't also use the 20g WTS Orion weights, so I was probably only about 20g heavier because of that. I also had to run 2.5wt thinner front/rear, so I was 32.5wt front and 30wt rear. The 35/32.5wt as per the setup was much too hard but I suspect that was more the temperature variation as much as anything. I also used Associated Springs as that's what I have, Green's rear and Grey's front but again very similar to the TLR Yellow/KYO Gold (In theory).
I'd definitely recommend giving it a go though, it wasn't unpredictable at all and had good drive out of the corners, good steering and jumped good too. The only thing I was lacking was a touch more side bite and a touch more corner entry, but really they only required minor changes which I'll try next time
I didn't follow it word for word, for example I used saddle packs rather than shorty but I didn't also use the 20g WTS Orion weights, so I was probably only about 20g heavier because of that. I also had to run 2.5wt thinner front/rear, so I was 32.5wt front and 30wt rear. The 35/32.5wt as per the setup was much too hard but I suspect that was more the temperature variation as much as anything. I also used Associated Springs as that's what I have, Green's rear and Grey's front but again very similar to the TLR Yellow/KYO Gold (In theory).
I'd definitely recommend giving it a go though, it wasn't unpredictable at all and had good drive out of the corners, good steering and jumped good too. The only thing I was lacking was a touch more side bite and a touch more corner entry, but really they only required minor changes which I'll try next time
Thanks
Duke
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I run carpet and carpet/mixed surface, tracks only.
Right now at 18mm rear, 17mm front.
I haven't run saddle in my 2wd, just the shorty with some weight. Good thing about running a shorty, it that you can take the weight easily (or add it) if you want, and then you don't have to change anything else to fit a different size pack.
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+1 shorty just gives you more weight distribution options.
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Is the 1.5x2 shock pistons TLR233008 not what came with the kit? If not what is the difference?
Also what is the advantage of the bell crank steering system?
Also what is the advantage of the bell crank steering system?
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I also agree on running the Shorty pack to give you more weight placement options over the saddle - But from my point of view most seemed to be adding it right along the side of the shorty (WTS Orion Weights) which kinda defeated the point of not running saddles. Fair enough if your going to run it somewhere else, but if your not then that's the point?
Tech Initiate
I would like to install the bell crank in my 22 2.0 But I have it in RM is it still a good idea
Also bought the front spindles. Thanks for help
Also bought the front spindles. Thanks for help
The bell crank steering provides a much smoother steering input to the car as well as improving the amount of steering you get. The bell cranks is possibly the number 1 best upgrade for the car IMO.
JP
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As JP just said, the belcrank is a great up for any version. I run RM only and my steering is sooo much tighter and precise since going to the belcrank. I think it has to do with the ackerman angles between the slider and the belcrank. But what ever...do it!
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The kit does not come with the 1.5x2 it comes with 1.6x2 TLR233009. The difference is that the 1.5x2 will have more pack than the standard kit piston 1.6x2.
The bell crank steering provides a much smoother steering input to the car as well as improving the amount of steering you get. The bell cranks is possibly the number 1 best upgrade for the car IMO.
JP
The bell crank steering provides a much smoother steering input to the car as well as improving the amount of steering you get. The bell cranks is possibly the number 1 best upgrade for the car IMO.
JP