skeasor

That's my sinister point.

RacingCraze21

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Thanks for the help! It was very much appreciated.

Joel Lagace

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MAybe we need a subscription based model? Car cost nothing up front. you pay a monthly for as long as you want to stay current 20$ a month Every upgrade or change that comes out you get it in the mail for your 20$ a month 22 2.0 to 22 2.9.... LOL

But your locked in for 10 years

jokes

Davidka

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That's $240/yr to have an up to date car at all times. Best deal going by far.

BLbound

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LOL That's awesome!

BuddyLee303

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What people have to realize is the effort that goes into research and development and then how to bring that to market. Both of these items take a great deal of time and effort by organizations. It takes a great deal of organization of various teams and parts of the company to develop, test, market and distribute any new product. I like the fact the TLR releases these upgrades as they have found them to work and improve the performance of the car once they are ready for distribution.

I am sure a new version or updated version is probably a year to a year and a half away. Look at the 22 SCT 2.0. Various drivers made some very deliberate and interesting changes to that truck. After the team drivers essentially developed a new truck, these items and setups were released in forums like this so club drivers could make the changes if they wanted to. We're some of the changes cheap? No. Where they necessary to be competitive? No. TLR shares this information with everyone and let's the individual decide if the would like to upgrade their vehicle or not. Once there were enough upgrades or changes to "package" a new version they launched the SCT 2.0.

After running an RB6 (which I spent easily $100 in upgrades to a kit that already costs $439.00) last year and observing Associated's launch of the B5 and B5M as separate kits, and have items such as plastic shock caps and a weak rear bulkhead (which for most upgraded to aluminum immediately) I think the 2.0 is a very competitively priced durable platform that requires little to no upgrades to be competitive out of the box.

I could be wrong on this but I think TLR has upgraded the slipper plates/ slipper pads/ spur gears in the 22 2.0 kits, and I seem to recall one other minor upgrade that slips my mind.

It makes zero since for an organization to constantly deliver upgraded kits after every change. Would it be nice if companies could do this? Yes, but not realistic.

I think we have become spoiled as consumers at to the frequency that kits are released. Back in the day it was easily 3-4 years in-between kits.

I personally enjoy the fact we can upgrade as we go until the next greatest thing hits the shelves of your local hobby shop.

eper

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I'm new to the losi car and have owned the b5m and a lot of kyosho cars as well. I gotta say for the money this is the best kit going. The quality of the parts is top notch and you get lots of nice aluminum pieces to boot. With te k cars u get good plastic but no nice aluminum goodies like the losi but u pay a lot for their kits. As for AE. The car is good but u get no goodies at all. The losi has a nice mix of goodies and a fair price. I'm completely happy with what I got for the money I spent. I think I'm going to be running losi cars for a while. I actually was one of the first people to get a jrx2 when it was first released and never should have left losi or the hobby.

skeasor

The car is built tough..I had a few run ins with some 1/8 buggies and haven't broken anything yet.

eper

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It is tuff. And I like how things where thought out. Just the fact that they put nuts in the front bulkhead shows they actually thought about it. How many times I had to replace bulkheads cause the plastic stripped out on other buggies. Simple things like that mean a lot

Davidka

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Agreed, it does make zero sense to release a new kit every year, but now that the TLR kit "requires" ~$100 in updates, on top of it's $350 cost to run the correct mid-motor setup, the separate B5 kits are starting to much make more sense to me.

While the 22 created a great surge for TLR, it already seems to be in decline because of the barriers that exists in buying/building a new kit. There are diehard fans that will do this because the custom aspect is fun for some, but there are several other choices in this smaller segment (Kyosho, Durango, Serpent, etc.).

There is something to be said for platform discipline. The TLR 8ight has changed less in it's time and seems to hold market share in an even more competitive landscape (in terms of viable kit options).

Frank Root

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Sorry to disappoint you David... but we are DEFINITELY not in a decline. Since the bulk of these option parts have shipped, we moving solidly in the opposite direction...

BTW - the kit does NOT require $100 in up grades. The standard length chassis and slider rack, as well as the stock body have ALL won National Championships. 95% of our team ran standard length chassis until 2 months ago... and we've had great results this year.. just sayin'.

Davidka

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That doesn't disappoint me in the least, quite the opposite, it's just not what I'm seeing in my market.

Are your kit unit sales climbing, or just revenue due to aftermarket sales?

skeasor

I have a stupid question...on the setup sheets for the front camber link position, I'll see something like 1-B. I know what 1 is but what is B? the 1st or second hole on the on caster block?

edit: another one...for this: Bump Steer Ball Stud: Standard Low Mount and Ackermann Ball Stud: Standard Low Mount are they referring to the washers?

Thanks!

Mudcat981

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Frank Root

As I read this forum I am getting the consensus that the MM is not for everyone or for every class. Even stated earlier the factory drivers were not all on board with the shorter chassis. Aside from personal preferences, correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions.

1) The MM and shorter chassis are ideal for mod classes and maybe trucks/sct.

2) The RM and longer chassis are better suited for stock 17.5 buggy classes.

My personal driving style I like the RM setup, have not tried the shorter chassis though. I do know that I can get the inside of a tight corner on a MM almost every time, but they do seem to carry more speed coming out of a corner. This is why maybe in mod classes the MM rules, but when motors are equal gaining control of the inside of a turn can be huge.

Just my observations from the track and this forum.

Joel Lagace

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Not bad..