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Old 09-20-2013, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwntology
petitrc.com/setup/losi/setuptwentytwo2.0/222.0_DakotahPhend_Chico2013080811/

The last picture here shows it pretty well. (Sorry, I am too noob to post real URLs)
We have both the new and old style the one you ordered is the bee style just like what's in your 2.0
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Carranza76
I think he designed it off the new 22 2.0 rack.

For clarification I never bad mouthed MB's products I actually almost bought them for the 1.0 until the Exotek rack came out.

But per the vid I am 99% sure he mimicked the 2.0 slider system.
This is correct and the stock slider plastic tlr changed the housing to use the sane material as ball cups.
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:35 PM
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Where is the proper place to check rear ride height? The very rear of the car where the gear box would sit? Or on the thicker part of the chassis in front of the rear shocks?? Thank you
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under the tranny in the rear.

farthest point to the front that's still flat.....for the front
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What's the top 3 go to motors/esc for this buggy?
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Originally Posted by Speed Freak RC
If your local track has a stock buggy class it would be a great place to start.
They do! It's one of the main reasons I would like to get into this class.

Originally Posted by Captcha
TBH I would find a 22 1.0 on here for dirt cheap with a huge parts lot, and learn on that, and eventually over time convert it to a 2.0.

People are literally giving those cars away now, and they are still great cars once you get them set up to your driving style.
Thanks mate. It's a good idea! I'll go look around on the sale section.
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This may have been commented on before, but I didn't see it, so I thought I would mention it...

As I read through all the info here on the 2.0, I kept wondering why people kept saying "you can't use 1.0 setups on the 2.0" or "stick with the low frequency springs", etc... At first I thought this was all due to the geometry changes...

HOWEVER - I just looked up the actual spring rates for the low frequency springs and WOW was I shocked..! There is almost NO correlation between the old and new springs... FWIW, here are the new rates:

[TLR233013] "Low Frequency" Rear Spring Set.Softest
Grey: 1.96 lbs./in - 12.50 coils (1.0 was 1.6)
White: 2.02 lbs./in - 12.25 coils (1.0 was 1.8)
Yellow: 2.06 lbs./in - 12.00 coils (1.0 was 2.0)
Pink: 2.11 lbs./in - 11.75 coils (1.0 was 2.3)
Red: 2.16 lbs./in - 11.50 coils (1.0 was 2.6
Stiffest

[TLR233012] "Low Frequency" Front Spring Set.Softest
Pink: 2.86 lbs./in - 9.25 coils (1.0 was 2.3)
Red: 2.96 lbs./in - 9.00 coils (1.0 was 2.5)
Orange: 3.03 lbs./in - 8.75 coils (1.0 was 2.9)
Silver: 3.18 lbs./in - 8.50 coils (1.0 was 3.2)
Stiffest
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Originally Posted by racer1812
under the tranny in the rear.

farthest point to the front that's still flat.....for the front
i thought i heard frank say under the rear toe plate.... somewhere.
can't be too far off though.
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Originally Posted by AndrewTom
i thought i heard frank say under the rear toe plate.... somewhere.
can't be too far off though.
IMO, you can measure it just about anywhere in the back as long as it's behind the step in the chassis. Toe plate or tranny should give you the same ride height. Now on the 1.0 when most were moving the tranny up that could affect your measurement if you check it under the tranny. No tranny mod needed on the 2.0 so the tranny should be flush with the chassis. (I don't have a 2.0.....yet)
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Originally Posted by Graham11
What's the top 3 go to motors/esc for this buggy?
Brushless, brushless, and brushless..

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Originally Posted by Graham11
What's the top 3 go to motors/esc for this buggy?
I would recommend the Orion R10 Pro or the LRP Flow if you're going to be running mod. Orion VTS2 or LRP x20 motors in the 7.5-9.5 range. If you're new to 2wd mod then maybe opt for a 10.5 to start. 2wd is very easy to overpower.
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What I have read... Pertaining to the use of the Bell Crank System is : That on High Bite its used to Mute the Steering. That's why the Pros used it because of the Super High Bite track. They used it as a tuning aide to make the steering less responsive. It's not less a product or bad.

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Truth is ... you should look you face in the mirror. Leave my name out of your Posts... Thank you.
I'm here to help all and spread some RC FACTS. I will copy and paste the article when I find it again.... no time now I race a double header this weekend and have my daughter.
Originally Posted by Carranza76
Not everyone wants to deal with the binding issue and yes that is a real concearn with any type of slider system plastic and brass.
I have Zero Binding in my slider systems total of 3... all perfect for my outdoor loose tracks.


Sorry XXXDad but that is an ignorant statement.
Every car out except the 22 has a bell crank system and most have better steering then the 22.

I know you two have a need for selling stuff but trying to discredit a product that has far been proven for years isnt smart business.

Good luck though, as I know some people like the slider but the majority where I race do not and the faster guys I know prefer the bell crank. Thats why most of the TLR cars got sold in favor for the B4.2.

I like my 22's and I make them work for my driving style and since the Exotek racks came out my driving time have improved greatly. No more worring about binding due to dust and grim.
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I thought I would put my 2cents in..... I have tried the exotek (only recently) on my 1.0 and found that in real dusty/slippery conditions it held the front on the line I pointed it, particularly on power out of a corner and the wheels turned reasonably evenly at full lock. On the setup station the inside wheel measured 25deg while the outside was 19deg. I have also run the MB slider rack (my personal preference) which gave excellent response to wheel inputs and turn in speed. Setup station had this at 23deg inside wheel and 20deg outside wheel all with 4mm trailing. It let me get on power quicker out of the corner on the days where the grip was right up there (sugared track and just swept) because I was not fighting the front end in any way due to the wheels straightening at slightly different rates. It was smooth and controllable.
I was able to have a couple if qual's at my local track today with the 2.0 and woohoo!!! this thing is comfy to drive. The larger slider and housing certainly removed all slop (bar a little in the ball cups) much as the MB brass and ali system did. To sum it up, everyone has their own driving style and preference and they also learn to compensate for any of the slight failures their equipment may have. Having driven different steering systems they all have their pros and cons for diff conditions and different budgets.
Will see how the wear goes on the standard 2.0 rack in coming weeks.... but an MB 2.0 rack is on my radar
Happy racing 2.0 owners..... and hats off to TLR for the new ride.
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First run of the Losi today and on a very loose track off the racing line. Amazed how correctable the 2.0 is that's a massive improvement, forward drive is awesome. Steering on the other hand, i feel absolutely no change, still fighting to achieve steering out of the box, so plenty of work to do to get some steering. After driving a 4.2 and trying to get rid of the steering now trying to get it back.

In Aus we don't these super high bite prepped sugared tracks you have in the USA. Maybe the 2.0 steering will be better when I get to blow down the track next week.

I too have the exotek in my 22SCT, it blew me away with how of an improvement it made to the SCT, dam thing turns on a dime now and I had to slow the servo because it was too dam quick
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Had a good night last night and the buggy feels
Perfect now. Went back to the kit setup and it was great for my track. I drove it all the way to the 2nd qualifying position!! One Of my best runs
Ever. Got 5th in the main but it was a hard race and im still pleased a out that.This car is awesome I'm so glad I bought it. Drives like a dream. my buddy Cantrell just finished his last night and raced it in mod Class and it was the most dialed Looking buggy out there. He did great with his also, 3rd place in a group of very fast pro level drivers.
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