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Old 10-03-2013, 09:33 AM   #466
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I run an original B44 so durability is really what I'm looking for. I think the D413 will have slightly more of it but the TLR would have better part support at my LHS. The debate rages on.
something to keep in mind when I had that question myself. If the car is durable, how often do you need to get parts from the LHS at that point?

For me at least, I personally prefer to have the commonly broken items on hand versus hoping its on the wall. And usually the LHS doesn't carry the one off item that breaks anyway.

Not saying don't support your LHS, but, its not a bad idea to have the part on hand, and, excellent idea to have a vehicle that doesn't need them frequently.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:42 AM   #467
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touring cars have different requirements than buggies. Just because another company does one thing doesn't mean I'm gonna blindly follow suit. It'd have to be proven that it in fact produces a performance advantage before I add any of those features.

from a reliability standpoint those things look sketchy.
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Torrance, since you are on here I have a question. Do you feel you gave up performance to gain durability? Obviously you felt the trade off was worth it but I was just curious if you would have designed things a little differently if the current crop of cars didn't have a problem finishing races.
I don't think I traded off any performance to gain durability. Definitely didn't sacrifice anything on suspension geometry or drivetrain. The one target I didn't quite hit was the minimum weight - the rules allow as low as 1613g but the D413 with a shorty weighs in around 1720g give or take. I tried to get it as close to minimum as I can but I would've had to skimp out on some strength to achieve it. Still though most of the competition weighs in close to 1800g and still has durability issues.
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Glad to see durability is up there. Out of the wheelers I have owned in the past, the most durable was my old Academy SBV2 Pro. Could beat the crap out of that thing and it would come back for more.

Would love to see a resurgence in 1/10 4wd buggy.
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Glad to see durability is up there. Out of the wheelers I have owned in the past, the most durable was my old Academy SBV2 Pro. Could beat the crap out of that thing and it would come back for more.

Would love to see a resurgence in 1/10 4wd buggy.

I would love to see a preorder button and a price.
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:50 PM   #471
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I think if wheelers were more durable the class would pick up again. I went to phx and ran at a local track (2wd), but there was a class of wheelers there, about 5 guys. At most, 1-2 guys actually finished each race. I think in the main, there was 1 guy not broke. That kind of racing is no fun. This car looks pretty solid, so maybe it will help bring the class back. I am sure pricing will be a big part of it. If it has kyosho pricing, then most people wont bother.
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My poor B44.2. It is so done once this gets released. I loved my HB VE8 and this looks like it took some of those greats aspects and now 1/10th. Oh yeah.
Lol... Too funny Todd! This sure does look like an amazing new 4w buggy!
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Lol... Too funny Todd! This sure does look like an amazing new 4w buggy!
Yeah and if you win JBRL with my 44 I am selling it to you. Good luck at the race. Put her on the podium.
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I really want to see a video how these new 4wds do on a non sugar track
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:44 AM   #475
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I really want to see a video how these new 4wds do on a non sugar track
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90% of the peeps world wide will never see a sugered track in their rc careers anways
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90% of the peeps world wide will never see a sugered track in their rc careers anways
Here you go.......2 x XB4's on a 1:8 scale dirt track.

Yellow one driven by Malin with a 7.5T (the other with a 5.5T) practicing for a dirt track race.

The new wheelers of today can really take a beating.
We've been racing the XB4 since it first came out in January on indoor clay, outdoor dirt and astro.
Never have I had to change as few parts as on this buggy and I'm sure the new D413 will be just as strong

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Ppl break bc they all think they need 6.5's. I race on a small indoor track where 17.5 and mod lap times are the same and some guys still go ruth they fastest thing they can squeeze in there.
If ROAR recognized a stock or super stock class that clubs could adopt it would pick ip.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:14 AM   #478
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Ppl break bc they all think they need 6.5's. I race on a small indoor track where 17.5 and mod lap times are the same and some guys still go ruth they fastest thing they can squeeze in there.
If ROAR recognized a stock or super stock class that clubs could adopt it would pick ip.
That's VERY track dependent.

On an indoor very tight track yes.....outdoors and on bigger tracks.....no way.

We race with 6.5T for high bite and 7.5T for low bite and don't go through anymore parts because of it

You just need to know how to keep the 4 round things pointing down

So in short.....pick the setup YOU can handle and you will enjoy it so much more

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If ROAR recognized a stock or super stock class that clubs could adopt it would pick ip.
ROAR has a set of stock class rules that most tracks model their own stock classes after. I have never seen 4wd run stock in the US, not since the late 80's anyway.
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It's not about keeping the wheels down. I can snap a front B44.2 a-arm by just barely clipping a pipe - just touching it. On my 22, I can hit that stuff nearly full speed and normally be ok.
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