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TLR22 VS Team Durango DEX210

Old 11-03-2011, 03:26 AM
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Exclamation TLR22 VS Team Durango DEX210

http://trftracing.blogspot.com/2011/...go-dex210.html
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Does anyone have any feedback. Looking to decide between these two buggies or possibly the team associated. Has anyone driven the Dex 210? Also does anyone have any recommendations for setup-ie: motor size, esc, servo. THanks
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Does anyone have any feedback. Looking to decide between these two buggies or possibly the team associated. Has anyone driven the Dex 210? Also does anyone have any recommendations for setup-ie: motor size, esc, servo. THanks
try the DEX210 thread, plenty of info there

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...10-thread.html
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Does anyone have any feedback. Looking to decide between these two buggies or possibly the team associated. Has anyone driven the Dex 210?
Lots of adjustability on the DEX210. Best shocks, and I mean THE BEST in the business, and a super smooth diff make this car work well. I have a 22 and the DEX210 and the 210 out-handles the 22.

If you are a person that wants to setup a car and never adjust anything again, the 22 might be a better option, but the 210 comes with loads of adjustability options, more than any other 2wd buggy kit out there. Most of the options are "upgrade" pieces on another kit.

Build quality of the 22 is pretty good, but the quality of the 210 is top notch.

The manual for the 210 is lacking a bit. I would hate it if it was the first car I have ever built. in fact, I would probably not have gotten it done. If you have experience building, it will be no problem.

Parts are not readily available for the 210, but like the 22, it is amazingly durable and likes to be driven hard.

Your decision to make, hope that helps
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I have owned and raced them both. Raced the 22 for a few months, and have had the DEX since the day it was released two weeks ago... Without a doubt, the dex is a better buggy, in every single way. Spend some times in the dex thread... there is a ton of information in there.
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Im in the same boat, but the battle is between the DEX210 and the Kyosho...
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Originally Posted by Cpt.America View Post
I have owned and raced them both. Raced the 22 for a few months, and have had the DEX since the day it was released two weeks ago... Without a doubt, the dex is a better buggy, in every single way. Spend some times in the dex thread... there is a ton of information in there.
What didn't you like about the 22?
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Cpt. America has got pretty much every top notch car out there right now. I'd love to hear his opinion likes/dislikes on all of them.
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What didn't you like about the 22?
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Cpt. America has got pretty much every top notch car out there right now. I'd love to hear his opinion likes/dislikes on all of them.
Id be happy to toss my opinions in on the 22 but i doubt I have room or time to do them all. Id like to preface these opinions first with the both the track I race on, and my personal taste for "car feel" that I prefer... both of which can drastically change which car is better for your situation. I race on a medium sized indoor clay track, with medium amounts of traction, and we run gold bar codes. The type of "feel" I prefer to my car, is a car that can feel aggressive when driven hard, that's stable in the rear end, and that is slightly pushy. If a car is too twitchy, or is boring to drive, I don't like.

Losi 22. The 22 is, for the most part, a well built car. The plastics and materials are tough, and tight. If there was ever a car that will wear out your 2mm hex, this is it. Where the car falls short in my opinion, is in the diff, chassis geometry, and lack of refinement in some of it's engineering. These shortfalls directly translate into how the car feels on the track.

The car itself, is too long. Maybe if I was driving on a super large outdoor 8th scale track like the nats, I would like the 22 (heck, the car dominated there)... but like most people running 10th scale buggy in a climate where it rains some parts of the year (any place other than socal), I drive on an indoor clay track, size of which being limited to the size of the building the track owners can afford. That means a more nimble buggy will tend to do better, on a track like mine, where slower speeds and direction changes are more common. The 22's geometry, in EVERY setup or config I tried on the car, made the car feel lazy. Even with the most aggressive setup possible on the car, the car felt lazy, cumbersome, and I have to admit, boring. Not a lot unlike trying to race an over powered limousine around a track. And this is coming from a driver that ran the car in mid motor, rear motor, long WB, short WB, trailing, inline, shorties, full sized, you name it, I tried every combination to get the car to drive like I wanted, and it just couldn't do it.
The car wasn't "bad".... if that is the type of car you prefer, a slower buggy that feels kind of like it is driving itself, then the 22 is a great car... Me, meh.. boring.

Some of the innovations looked promising, but ended up lacking. The steering rack is one... It was advertised as this "zero slop" steering rack, that quickly turned into the sloppiest rack out of all the cars available. They wasted a TON of space up at the front of the buggy, making the car too long, and helping keep full sized packs out of the car in mid motor. The car is downright awful in MM setup. The 4 gear gearbox is WAY too long, putting the weight far too far forward in the car, making the car drive a little strange. To even start to get the buggy to work, you needed to run their softest spring, and buy a huge weight kit to run in the back. I finally said forget it... and the "weight set" I decided to run in the back, was a motor.

The diff is a wreck as well. Anybody that has seen the stock diff bolt and nut knows what I'm talking about. How big is the bolt? 1mm? .5mm? It's the tiniest thing you've ever seen. It's no wonder you had to go straight to a B4 bolt and nut, as the bolts were breaking, just running the car normally. From what I heard, this is the diff that they ran in losi's original short course truck. (i forget what it was even called). Anyway... you get what i'm saying.

Now moving to the DEX210. Here you have a car that Durango built to have all of the very best things in all the cars on the market, and none of their short comings. This car drives entirely different. The car feels very nimble, not unlike a B4. But it's stable and pretty forgiving, kind of like the 22. It goes together with quality materials a lot like the RB5... and is more adjustable or configurable than the other buggies on the market combined. The car, being a UK car, is primarily designed as a mid-motor car, but they didn't make the mistake that losi did, and built the MM so that motor and gearbox placement is where they need to be. Inside the rear axle, but very close to it... not half way into the chassis. It's shorter than the 22, but longer than the couger in this config (the cougar needed a longer chassis). And, you can run a full size lipo in MM. In RM config, the overall shape/geometry isn't that far off from an RB5 or a B4, so it feels similar in it's own way (where as the 22 feels totally different).

The diff in this car is downright amazing... the diff bolt looks like the size of a turnbuckle, it uses 14 3mm balls, with massive, beefy components, with a caged thrust assembly. It looks like it could withstand something like an 8th scale. Droop screws on all 4 corners means no more having to take your shocks apart to limit shock length/droop. modular inserts are used for caster and rear toe-in adjustments, modular adjustments are even there for how inline or trailing you want to run in your front axles, in 1mm increments. The engineering that has gone into this car is straight up amazing. I don't need to mention everything about this car here, it is all over the dex210 thread and in Durango's documentation/website.

All the pros included, and none of the cons, translate very well onto the track too. It's nimble, aggressive, it feels fast, but is planted like nothing else I have ever driven. How do you get a better combination than that? Seriously... when people say this buggy is a "game changer", they mean it. I think you have to actually drive this car to know what im talking about about.

Here is an example. A buddy of mine at the track, is one of our faster mod guys that has been driving a B4 since day 1. He wanted to take my car for a few laps... after making sure he understood that there wenen't any spares for the car yet, I let him. The first couple laps he just poked around to get a feel. Within just a few laps, this strange look appeared on his face... kind of a "WTF" kind of look... He just couldn't believe how fast, yet how PLANTED the car felt at the same time.

So just to clarify here, I am not saying the 22 is bad car, it's just not right "for me". Some guys love it and do well with it. All you can do is drive them back to back and decide for yourself.

(edit: please don't quote this whole thing.. its far too long )

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Excellent post, and thanks for the insight.

My first buggy was a Cougar, which I run on a tight, hard packed indoor track (Pink BK Bars, Green Double Dees, Blue/Green Barcodes, etc). I loved the steering, hated the lack of traction (this was before the extended chassis). From there I moved to a B4. I like how agile/aggressive it is, but I've wanted to try something different, and picked up a 22. I've driven a few and they do feel long, and lazy, but I still decided that I'd give one a try. I haven't driven mine yet, but I'm still willing to give it a go. Rumor has it that there is a shorter chassis on the way. I'm eagerly waiting to see what the 210s can do, but owning the 410 has left me a little leary. With the 2wd being more conventional than the 4wd, hopefully some of the issues I had won't arise.
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Id be happy to toss my opinions in on the 22 but i doubt I have room or time.....
I can see you also had the B4.1. How is it compared to the 22 and 210 ? The new +8mm chassis will come soon.

Im getting back to 2wd off road but it is not easy with all the models. Like UK we drive a lot on carpet and astro tracks so a mid motor car will properly be the best...
The CML C4.1 also looks nice but very expensive.
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Thanks a lot for your comments Cpt.America
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I love how when a new car comes out everyone swears it takes 1-2 seconds off their lap times and the car is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I swear it takes like 6 months after a car is fully released to get the real opinions on a car.

I guess everyone wants brand new and shiny.

All I have found out is that different cars suit different driving styles and skill levels. No one car within the same class tier is really better than the other in the right hands as far as performance is concerned. however, we can make pretty factual judgments about build quality, durability, ec.
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I can see you also had the B4.1. How is it compared to the 22 and 210 ? The new +8mm chassis will come soon.

Im getting back to 2wd off road but it is not easy with all the models. Like UK we drive a lot on carpet and astro tracks so a mid motor car will properly be the best...
The CML C4.1 also looks nice but very expensive.
If you are driving on an ultra-high bite carpet track, your search needs to stop at the Durango... there is no better option!

The B4.1 is a great car, and the +8 is already out. The b4.1+8 is very aggressive, very fast, but can feel a bit "on the edge", and maybe a bit too twitchy. (for some). It tends to be a car that is versatile, very easy to work on, but is on the fragile side with a sloppier build. It has a great diff and a great gearbox, and parts are cheap and plentiful. Overall, a great platform.

There is also the X6 option, or cougar option for carpet.
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I love how when a new car comes out everyone swears it takes 1-2 seconds off their lap times and the car is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Sometimes that happens yes... but those that know me, know that I am the farthest thing from a fanboy. I drive/use what I feel is best, regardless of what name is on the box. I will GLADLY tell you all the downfalls of even my most favorite kit.
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