Davidka

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We saw it in on-road, now we're seeing it in off road. Too many classes is spelling the end of "real" big events.

I was just looking at the mains lisitng at the HRH shootout and was amazed that there was only one class that even went down to a D-main and only a couple that even had a C main. Stadium truck doesn't even have a B. Considering how many of the racers there are racing multiple classes I would be very interested to know how many unique entrants they have there. They have a ton of differnt classes, including two divisions of stock SCT.

It should be noted that the one class that has 4 mains is 2wd modified, not an SCT class.

There was a time when there were 2-3 classes and mains went down to K and L. Now all you have to do is pick an obscure class and get yourself in the A.

When will we learn...

Randy_Pike

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Don't read into this so much. Worlds is next week so HRS had a lot of the heavy hitters not attending...

270 entries was the last number I heard. Considering worlds is next week and more than half of the big names weren't there...I'd say it was a great turn out.

Dave H

It is getting ridiculous. I remember heats going to double letters at big events. A huge accomplishment to just make the A. Now at many of these events I could be in the A just by entering. That's sad.

Davidka

iTrader: (86)

Good point, still WAY too many classes. Was that 270 class entries or 270 individuals?

Eric Tomczyk

iTrader: (96)

I whole heartedly agree. There should be two classes for each chassis MAX, and some, like 4WD and SC4WD should only have one. I think it reflects badly on the event organizer. Only seven entries for Mod truck (stadium)- where do you draw the line and say sorry guys, not enough entries for the class?

I don't buy the Worlds being a factor at all. Cav, Tebo and Evans are there, and mod buggy is the biggest class. That and 4wd would be the classes taking the hit from the worlds.

I remember seeing the entry form and LOLing and shaking my head. There were so many classes it looked like they needed two pages to list them.

Randy_Pike

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HRS is a hot race to attend. There were many of the top guys not there, due to worlds. This has already been stated.

Jimmy is hosting a race and must cater to those attending. Clearly 7 was enough for him. Jimmy did combine classes that made sense to him and his crew.

The race had a few "sportsman" classes for a few different chassis. It also had "NR Stock" with a few drivers that really shouldn't have been in it either.

Regardless 270 entries is a good attendance for any race.

SpraydbySprague

iTrader: (64)

I think this is what the OP is talking about. What exactly is "sportsman" and "NR Stock" anyway? What happened to good old fashioned stock and mod classes? RC racing is getting like boxing, all the different weight classes so anyone can get a title shot.

Stock for the less experienced drivers, mod for those who have the skill to handle it. Plain and simple.

Yes, 270 is killer attendance for a race. Would love to see a third of that at a weekly club race.

RA99GT

You have to use a speed control with a "0 timing boost" mode or is built that way.

SpraydbySprague

iTrader: (64)

Thanks for the explanation, was kinda thinking along those lines. However, it takes the stock class and further dilutes it. I say allow the ESC to be open to any timing, boost, adjustments you wish.

Heck, before the days of brushless, it was all about brush compound, style of cut on brush face, springs, polarized springs, comm size, magical potions for the bushings and brushes, and black magic break in procedures. Just to name a few. Seems less daunting of a task to change a few ESC settings, and have a go at it to see what works.

Eric Tomczyk

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I have my own issues with the Shootout. I've attended it several times and I won't be back. Just not worth it to spend that much money to broil my ass off at an outdoor race in socal mid july.

Eric Tomczyk

iTrader: (96)

Lipo and brushless are the great equalizers of RC. All these classes are trying to make it less equal again. Non boosted 17.5 w/ 7.4 volts is still much faster than a brushed 27t with 7.2 volts. I think it's a good thing in that it makes racing in the stock class cheaper, but it's too fast for beginners and makes the learning curve steeper. Hell, I've had the opinion since the early 90's that novice should have been 5 cells to slow them down.

As far as I can see, the boosted classes and 13.5, 10.5 are just for people who want to run mod but can't handle running with the pros. Big fish in a little pond syndrome.

For the record I never liked the 19t class and thought it diluted the entries back before the lipo/brushless revolution.

SpraydbySprague

iTrader: (64)

Actually, all these classes are trying to make everything equal, more classes means more chances for a driver to be in some sort of "A" main. Even if there is only 6 or 7 cars in the "A", and no "B" main in sight.

19t class is a good analogy to what is going on today. However, it's worse with the boosted/non boosted, stock/super stock, bull we deal with now.

Now that's funny! I really hope that wasn't a class being offered.

Wild Cherry

OMG !

Stadium class is getting owned by the SCT .....



Times change and the car's & class's will too...




I personally have no problem's with open 2w bug , open 4w, open truck , ect ....

Kill spec or stock or whatever you want to call it ....

Eric Tomczyk

iTrader: (96)

Yes I think we a like minded about this. Glad you saw the joke. I don't know if that class was offered but it illustrates the point perfectly. At this rate there will be class options for boxers and briefs!

SpraydbySprague

iTrader: (64)

Then the masters class in on road will be renamed the "Plumber's Crack" class!