34LikesRC10B4/T4 Forum
09-11-2009, 03:29 AM
#9436
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Originally Posted by offtraxx
I am the fast guy. the best tire that anyone uses around here are step pins, usually front and rear but I got a good deal on the ifmars
all 4 arms are level, rears maybe just a touch lower
all 4 arms are level, rears maybe just a touch lower
Touche.....Move the hubs back (as someone already said), a couple more internal limiters in the front shocks wouldn't hurt (try 3, if that's too much, pull one out at a time until it starts pushing again), stiffer rear springs (unless that's going to compromise traction too much).
09-11-2009, 08:51 AM
#9437
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Originally Posted by AiR2k
We did some empirical research and came to conclusion that B4 handles best with duct taped wing and jumps best from skijump on three wheels.
The proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91qmf3sG0aU&fmt=18
The proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91qmf3sG0aU&fmt=18
09-11-2009, 09:35 AM
#9438
Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
pack : the initial force required to move the shock shaft up or down...
more force = more pack
less pack( softer) =more traction
more pack ( harder) = less traction
bladders add pack ...
why ?
because the shock shaft has to stretch bladder in order to move up or down...
so when you use the bladder you will have less traction compared to no bladder.
not to mention losing the proper droop settings as you will have to install limiters on the shock to stop the piston
from hitting the bladder .(Bad)
more force = more pack
less pack( softer) =more traction
more pack ( harder) = less traction
bladders add pack ...
why ?
because the shock shaft has to stretch bladder in order to move up or down...
so when you use the bladder you will have less traction compared to no bladder.
not to mention losing the proper droop settings as you will have to install limiters on the shock to stop the piston
from hitting the bladder .(Bad)
Not to be rude or whatever, but do you know about different viscocities of oil? you can adjust this you know.
09-11-2009, 09:36 AM
#9439
Originally Posted by Bubonic-X
What the Hell is empirical research???????
09-11-2009, 10:17 AM
#9440
Originally Posted by UK.hardcore
Not to be rude or whatever, but do you know about different viscocities of oil? you can adjust this you know.
Sure you can experiment and learn how to compensate for bladders with different oil weight ,piston size & limiter's...
O-wait I just said that early....
But....
If your a beginner or even a season driver you should do better with the team set-up....
Which as Bridgewater( Team Driver) explained is how those drivers set their B-4 shocks...
Last edited by Wild Cherry; 09-11-2009 at 12:04 PM.
09-11-2009, 03:13 PM
#9442
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Rebuilding
Am I doing something wrong?
Most racers on this thread complain about the need to regularly rebuild shocks and diffs. I started offroad this year with an old T3 and still race it. All the shocks and diff were rebuilt about 8-10 weeks ago and the shocks all still feel the same and none have leaked. The diff still feels as good to me as the day I built it. Admittedly I dont race in any serious comps, just club, so maybe my car doesn't do the same amount of work as some of you.
I used to race onroad and have had Xray T!,T1Evo,fko4,fk05,T2 And T2007. I had more problems with their shocks(with bladders) than these.
Terry
Most racers on this thread complain about the need to regularly rebuild shocks and diffs. I started offroad this year with an old T3 and still race it. All the shocks and diff were rebuilt about 8-10 weeks ago and the shocks all still feel the same and none have leaked. The diff still feels as good to me as the day I built it. Admittedly I dont race in any serious comps, just club, so maybe my car doesn't do the same amount of work as some of you.
I used to race onroad and have had Xray T!,T1Evo,fko4,fk05,T2 And T2007. I had more problems with their shocks(with bladders) than these.
Terry
09-11-2009, 03:20 PM
#9443
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Originally Posted by Team Ash
Am I doing something wrong?
Most racers on this thread complain about the need to regularly rebuild shocks and diffs. I started offroad this year with an old T3 and still race it. All the shocks and diff were rebuilt about 8-10 weeks ago and the shocks all still feel the same and none have leaked. The diff still feels as good to me as the day I built it. Admittedly I dont race in any serious comps, just club, so maybe my car doesn't do the same amount of work as some of you.
I used to race onroad and have had Xray T!,T1Evo,fko4,fk05,T2 And T2007. I had more problems with their shocks(with bladders) than these.
Terry
Most racers on this thread complain about the need to regularly rebuild shocks and diffs. I started offroad this year with an old T3 and still race it. All the shocks and diff were rebuilt about 8-10 weeks ago and the shocks all still feel the same and none have leaked. The diff still feels as good to me as the day I built it. Admittedly I dont race in any serious comps, just club, so maybe my car doesn't do the same amount of work as some of you.
I used to race onroad and have had Xray T!,T1Evo,fko4,fk05,T2 And T2007. I had more problems with their shocks(with bladders) than these.
Terry
09-11-2009, 03:26 PM
#9444
Suspended
AE Is Killer Of All......
I know i saw this in here way back when.But I'm looking is the machined rear inner hing pin holder for the B4 . Any Help Appreciated !
09-11-2009, 03:32 PM
#9445
Around here .1 sec per lap means the difference between 1st and 8th..... so you can feel the car start to drop off in handling and slow down. the time sheets will reflect that also. I mainly notice the jumping performance drop off... and it gets way too much forward bite when the shock get air in them. The weight transfers way too fast... just wants to wheelie over
09-11-2009, 04:12 PM
#9447
Although some of you had said your shocks feel the same after extended period of time, i am willing to be they dont. They may not leak, as mine dont leak. But the orings will swell from the fluid. Take your shocks off, empty them and feel the "stiction" on the shafts. That is from the oring swelling. Handling will improve by putting in fresh orings.
09-11-2009, 04:18 PM
#9448
Originally Posted by losidriver70
I know i saw this in here way back when.But I'm looking is the machined rear inner hing pin holder for the B4 . Any Help Appreciated !
They also make other parts for the B4.
09-11-2009, 05:29 PM
#9449
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Originally Posted by CClay1282
Although some of you had said your shocks feel the same after extended period of time, i am willing to be they dont. They may not leak, as mine dont leak. But the orings will swell from the fluid. Take your shocks off, empty them and feel the "stiction" on the shafts. That is from the oring swelling. Handling will improve by putting in fresh orings.
09-11-2009, 10:28 PM
#9450
Originally Posted by teambighead
With the shocks, I think it's a "to each their own" sort of thing.
I have tested a bit with them, as has all of AE. Notice that we don't run them. They do have a few drawbacks.
A lot of people do like the bladder style shocks due to the lower amount of work they generate, or the 'lazy factor'
I will say that 99% of the people that have tried them, and then back to back run the old style shocks never put the bladders back on.
For who is interested, the new shock caps are very soon. They are at AE and I believe they are waiting to get packaged. I got mine and they look pretty good.
I have tested a bit with them, as has all of AE. Notice that we don't run them. They do have a few drawbacks.
A lot of people do like the bladder style shocks due to the lower amount of work they generate, or the 'lazy factor'
I will say that 99% of the people that have tried them, and then back to back run the old style shocks never put the bladders back on.
For who is interested, the new shock caps are very soon. They are at AE and I believe they are waiting to get packaged. I got mine and they look pretty good.
