Joel Lagace

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I TOTALLY MISSED the 2004 DATE on this thread....... UNTILL i read LMFAO that was a huge clue i was reading an old thread.


Stock and MOD race what ever you want. Novice? Then yes get out if your putting on a clinic every heat.

Wild Cherry

(Know the thread is old ..)

Maybe instead of taunting guys that only run stock ?

We need to discuss a better way to make racing more attractive to our entry level racer's..


Because the 17.5 spec has become way to fast !!!!


Unbelievable & Extremely competitive these days...


The guy off the street is being over whelm & not joining the fun anymore .

C-On !
These new racers are still our bread & blood to local race facility's and our sport .....


Something needs to change because I see very few novices these days to fill the ranks and help keep the doors open ...

Hoese37

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Stock is a class where all the motors are about identical in specs. It DOES NOT refer to driver skill.

Tom87

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How would you slow stock down (17.5 blinky)? I don't think 21.5 is an option as it would be impossible to gear the motors correctly. Go back to silver cans? Lower battery voltage?

Wild Cherry

Tom

17.5 brushless is totally out of control !!!!

Stupid fast these days.
They have become mild mod motors in fact and the new racer can't handle the speed these motor have ...

Across the country the novice class racer's have thinned down to almost nonexistent..(Bad News)


Solution

Believe we will be going back to brush motor's like the 27T again .

These motors were very inexpensive and perfect for attracting new blood with their low entry cost & inexpensive ESC needed to race .


We need to fix our sport and make changes that will make racing more attractive for new racers to our sport ...


What I'm purposing is a new entry level class with slower less expensive power plants .

Leave the 17.5 stock class as is .

Wild Cherry

The new Sportsman class ...


27T brush motor's
NiMH battery's...


No Brushless , No LiPo allowed..

JMURACN

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my outlook is... if i want to get good i'll need to practice. and thats exactly what anyone else is going to need to do. all the new people need to practice and the local clubs should encourage it. it bring a little money to the track... they can practice with some of the more senior guys... they can practice alone (maybe with some help of the track staff if there is some).

no new comer should think they will be top 5 in the A main.... not even in the stock class. but they need to realize there is a GOOD culture, fun cultuer, we like to help, we like to see people evolve, and practicing monday-friday is part of the "game" if you want to be "good."

Wild Cherry

JMURACN

Lost customer if someone that is brand new & interested in joining the fun is told don't expect to win and have fun ...

We have lost the Slash , it brought in mass new blood .

All gone now ...


We are in a world of hurt with out new racers coming...


Would be a easy sale if the new racer only had to spend a couple hundred bucks to join the fun ...

When these racers start winning sportsman and want more ?

17.5 spec will be the stepping stone for these racers to continue and advance ..

JMURACN

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when did someones expectations become:
1. buy new item
2. be best with new item

why cant it be:
1. buy new RTR SCT
2. learn to drive SCT with stock electrics
3. enter first race and see what happens
4. talk to more senior people and adjust driving/set up
5. upgrade as things break
6. win a race and be the best later

what happens to the new person that comes in with a $250 RTR in a sportsman field of 20 drivers... and he comes in 20th?

maybe for the sake of cost (i just bought my first offroad set up after being absent from RC for 12 years) you want a RTR class (except the RTR trucks arent equal)... maybe you want a stock motor class with no Lipos (except i see lipos as helping the young driver with multiple charges a day and longer run times)...

IMHO the culture of RC, the culture of RC at your local shop/track... thats what will bring the new person in and keep them there. if you show up to the track and the "top guys" wont help a soul, if the people arent welcoming and out going, if no one helps the new person at all... you have lost that person. the new person doesnt (and shouldnt) have to win to stay around.

blade329

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Holy Old Thread, Batman.

JK47

Yes, but still relevant today.

Funny how the technology has changed, but the same issues still persist.

CTRJ

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The problem with forcing someone to run something slower in novice is that once they move out of it, they'll have to buy all new electronics (a motor at a minimum). Our novice class is usually filled with RTR short course trucks (usually SC10 RTR). How are you going to tell them that they just spent $250 of a truck but they can't race it in novice? Most novice class races are a crash fest too, so most adults move up pretty quickly just so they don't have to worry about the kids who can't drive in a straight line on the straights.

As for 17.5 class, we have guys who have been in it for years. It's our most popular class. If a racer has some level of sponsorship, then they should run mod, but if a guy a super fast without sponsorship, let him run 17.5 as long as he wants. It's up to the rest of the field to catch up to him.

Cain

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honestly, I got 2 basic opinions on this that others have covered (well, at least one of them).

- Stock is not Novice. Its just a class where a motor type is selected and you conform to it with what is allowed.

I guess to me, I rather have one class full of entries than multiple classes (for the same vehicle type) with barely any entries to make more than 1 heat. If you are slow compared to the leaders, then you will be in a main with your appropriate skill level anyway.

Some places do a "Pro" versus "Sportsman" split that appears to work as well.

- Manufacturers really need to help out here by making "Stock" legal RTRs out of the box.

I would even go as far as ROAR should get involved and for vehicles that qualify as Ready For ROAR (RFR) or Ready for Stock (RFS) for short, they should come with a free 1 year membership to ROAR in the box. Full info on where to logon and find tracks, etc. Make the buyer feel like they are part of something bigger.

Durango kind of went that way with some of there RTRs, more is needed though.

Jake S

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box stock 2wd corr = perfect sportsman class....

brushless motors (3300kv losi/ae, 3500kv traxxas)
2.4ghz radios
gear diffs
'waterproof'

and just do like VTA - 2s limit and 5000 max MAH to keep cost lower.

also only change can be to change radio, rest must be box stock components from any company.

http://www.teamassociated.com/cars_a...C10/Race-Spec/

http://www.losi.com/Products/Default...rodID=LOSB0115

http://traxxas.com/products/models/o...07slashvxl2012

Wild Cherry

That is the problem these days and it is killing the sport !!!!





We have to sell the novice expensive electronics just to race these days ...

17.5 = $100
60C battery = $80

Brushless ESC =$180

new racer will still has to buy radio , car & tires ...

Total ???? $600 plus

No novice will understand why he has spend
all that money just to race a R/c car ....

Instead ?

Lets tell him we have a $200 RTR designed for sportsman and he will buy & join the fun ...

Let the novice that is ready and has experience buy all the brushless & LiPo when he steps up to 17.5 spec...