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Old 05-16-2011, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SaladFork View Post
Yea the plastic piece is what has the little hole the hinge pin sits in. Without it, it will slip out.
it looks like the pin sits flush at the end of the metal piece:

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Originally Posted by RC*PHREAK View Post
it looks like the pin sits flush at the end of the metal piece:

It should poke out just a hair... Here is a picture. These are the same rear pivot mounts from my Ten T using the Chris Titanium pins. It will work it's way through.

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Originally Posted by Chuck 21 View Post
Lots of guys asked for a Losi SCTE vs AE SC10
4x4 report from someone who races/owns both so here it is




I raced my SC10 4x4 on my home track that I've been racing my Losi SCTE
on so I could get a good test between the two.

#1 both run 2S 5600 60C,both RX8 ESC, both 4,5 550 motors the SCTE I
have a Novak 4.5 because it needs more torque then the AE. The AE I have
a Tekin 4.5 for a smoother power delivery. Same servo in both 7955TG Hitec
over kill yes but built proof IMO.

#2 both trucks are using DE SCTE wheels which (fit perfect on both)

Losi set up is silver springs all 4 corners stock pistons 40WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5mm sway bar rear,2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 5,000 frt,5,000
center,3,000 rear

AE set up is Stock springs all 4 corners stock pistons 35WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5 mm sway bar rear 2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 10,000 frt 5,000
rear. 4 wd full time 20/20 belt gears.

So now heres the driving.

#1 thing I noticed right away is the Losi jumped way better then the AE.
Now that is with silver springs on the Losi which jumped as bad as the AE
when it had stock springs. (got to be honest here) Give me springs for the
AE and I'm sure I can solve this on the AE also.

#2 The AE accelerates much harder the the Losi even with the higher
torque motor in the Losi. The AE will wheelie out of corners at will. This
looks cool but the Losi will put the power down flat at all times, the AE
you must think about how much throttle you give it out of corners.

#3 turn in, both are good here with the AE maybe having an edge but
the Losi is not running stock springs to get it there like the AE.

#4 Center corner speed has to go to the AE in all types of corners. It's
lighter with the same sway bars which gives a bit more speed in the center
IMO.

#5 exit corner speed. The AE has more on power tighter steering ability
then the Losi which can be good or a bad thing depending on how you
tend to drive. You can bind the AE up coming out with to much power
which will never happen on the Losi. You need more throttle control with
the AE to turn tight under power and not scrub speed.

#6 Braking. The Losi brakes rock solid straight and will stand on it's nose
hard (reverse wheelie) very locked in. The AE on the other hand skips the
belt at max braking and gets skidish IMO. Have to shoot straight here also.
The AE does not require as hard of braking as the Losi because it's lighter
then the Losi.So you won't probably have a problem braking even with the
Losi using less brake on the AE.

#7 stibility over bumps on power Both are awsome on power in bumps but
the Losi is a tick smoother.

#8 stibility over bumps off power the Losi is slightly better here but not a
bunch IMO

#9 stibility over bumps on brakes the Losi wins hands down (BUT) again
it is running silver springs not stock ones. I could do wonders with this
AE if I had different springs to choose from for it.

#10 slick track conditions Losi wins hands down stock or silver springs
the Losi is rock solid on slick. The AE is not bad but it does feel twitchy
some times.

#11 med grip track they both rock IMO they just rock different. AE is a little
twitchier then the Losi but a good twitchy if this makes sence to anyone.
IE: the AE is very responscive, the Losi you plan moves in advance is the
best way I can discribe this.

There was two new AE SC10 4x4's at the track with mine (no sway bars)
The local fast guys that dominate the class's they run all said my AE was
hands down the best out of the 3. They said mine was more planted and
solid looking all the way around the track. I respect what these guys have
to say about handling of cars/trucks, plus I beat the two other AE's by a
bunch and one is a much better driver then me. The Losi's I beat weekly
with my Losi SCTE I still beat by the same distance with my AE SC10 4x4
so IMO if I adapted my driving to the AE I was just as fast as I was with
my Losi but I have to drive them totally different to go that fast.

Bottom line IMO: Their both great trucks and will win their share of races.
I think driving style will dictate which truck you like to drive better. They
will both require tuning and tuning parts to get the best out of them but
they will both be the best on any giving days in the hands of drivers that
their driving style suits a givin truck.

I like them both, time will tell what I like better for my driving style. For
now I'll race them both and keep working on them til I feel I''m getting
the most out of them.

Nice job by both Losi & AE IMO... Thank you both of you"
Now thats one hell of a post! Thanks Chuck!


Lets get back to this type of info instead of the constant bickering.
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Originally Posted by SaladFork View Post
It should poke out just a hair... Here is a picture. These are the same rear pivot mounts from my Ten T using the Chris Titanium pins. It will work it's way through.
ok, thanks salad. maybe i over-tightened those screws which caused to much stress and cracked it. i dunno. i'll pick up a new set. thanks again.
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Originally Posted by RC*PHREAK View Post
ok, thanks salad. maybe i over-tightened those screws which caused to much stress and cracked it. i dunno. i'll pick up a new set. thanks again.
No problem, and you are in luck it's one part that is in stock.

I did notice when you tighten the screws down to much it causes the ends to pop up a little, this could cause some stress and make it easier to break.
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Originally Posted by pword View Post
is this the high-torque version or you just replaced the rotor? have you run the regular 550 4.5 and how do you compare the power and temp?
pword - I'm pretty sure Novak’s "high-torque" version is the 550 w/ a 14mm rotor. There is definitely a huge difference in running the 14mm compared to the 12.3mm rotor. I wouldn't recommend the 14mm in slippery conditions, it produces crazy torque and does tend to run cooler, but can be a handful. Personally, I like the 12.3mm, it feels smoother for the track conditions I run on, which tend to be med-slippery.


Originally Posted by J.Filipow View Post
I've been 'avoiding' the short course bandwagon for the past few years, but because the regional on-road racing has been so slim, I'm finally hopping on....really looking forward to receiving my kit this week, getting heckled by Doug D on this thread, and hitting the track. I just hope I can avoid the compulsion of getting too 'serious' with short course racing...ahhhaha.
Wow! J Filipow, how the hell have you been man? I thought you have officially hung up your wheel to retirement. SCT is as competitive as any other class I have raced, while actually being fun... Check your PMs.
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Originally Posted by Chuck 21 View Post
Lots of guys asked for a Losi SCTE vs AE SC10
4x4 report from someone who races/owns both so here it is




I raced my SC10 4x4 on my home track that I've been racing my Losi SCTE
on so I could get a good test between the two.

#1 both run 2S 5600 60C,both RX8 ESC, both 4,5 550 motors the SCTE I
have a Novak 4.5 because it needs more torque then the AE. The AE I have
a Tekin 4.5 for a smoother power delivery. Same servo in both 7955TG Hitec
over kill yes but built proof IMO.

#2 both trucks are using DE SCTE wheels which (fit perfect on both)

Losi set up is silver springs all 4 corners stock pistons 40WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5mm sway bar rear,2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 5,000 frt,5,000
center,3,000 rear

AE set up is Stock springs all 4 corners stock pistons 35WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5 mm sway bar rear 2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 10,000 frt 5,000
rear. 4 wd full time 20/20 belt gears.

So now heres the driving.

#1 thing I noticed right away is the Losi jumped way better then the AE.
Now that is with silver springs on the Losi which jumped as bad as the AE
when it had stock springs. (got to be honest here) Give me springs for the
AE and I'm sure I can solve this on the AE also.

#2 The AE accelerates much harder the the Losi even with the higher
torque motor in the Losi. The AE will wheelie out of corners at will. This
looks cool but the Losi will put the power down flat at all times, the AE
you must think about how much throttle you give it out of corners.

#3 turn in, both are good here with the AE maybe having an edge but
the Losi is not running stock springs to get it there like the AE.

#4 Center corner speed has to go to the AE in all types of corners. It's
lighter with the same sway bars which gives a bit more speed in the center
IMO.

#5 exit corner speed. The AE has more on power tighter steering ability
then the Losi which can be good or a bad thing depending on how you
tend to drive. You can bind the AE up coming out with to much power
which will never happen on the Losi. You need more throttle control with
the AE to turn tight under power and not scrub speed.

#6 Braking. The Losi brakes rock solid straight and will stand on it's nose
hard (reverse wheelie) very locked in. The AE on the other hand skips the
belt at max braking and gets skidish IMO. Have to shoot straight here also.
The AE does not require as hard of braking as the Losi because it's lighter
then the Losi.So you won't probably have a problem braking even with the
Losi using less brake on the AE.

#7 stibility over bumps on power Both are awsome on power in bumps but
the Losi is a tick smoother.

#8 stibility over bumps off power the Losi is slightly better here but not a
bunch IMO

#9 stibility over bumps on brakes the Losi wins hands down (BUT) again
it is running silver springs not stock ones. I could do wonders with this
AE if I had different springs to choose from for it.

#10 slick track conditions Losi wins hands down stock or silver springs
the Losi is rock solid on slick. The AE is not bad but it does feel twitchy
some times.

#11 med grip track they both rock IMO they just rock different. AE is a little
twitchier then the Losi but a good twitchy if this makes sence to anyone.
IE: the AE is very responscive, the Losi you plan moves in advance is the
best way I can discribe this.

There was two new AE SC10 4x4's at the track with mine (no sway bars)
The local fast guys that dominate the class's they run all said my AE was
hands down the best out of the 3. They said mine was more planted and
solid looking all the way around the track. I respect what these guys have
to say about handling of cars/trucks, plus I beat the two other AE's by a
bunch and one is a much better driver then me. The Losi's I beat weekly
with my Losi SCTE I still beat by the same distance with my AE SC10 4x4
so IMO if I adapted my driving to the AE I was just as fast as I was with
my Losi but I have to drive them totally different to go that fast.

Bottom line IMO: Their both great trucks and will win their share of races.
I think driving style will dictate which truck you like to drive better. They
will both require tuning and tuning parts to get the best out of them but
they will both be the best on any giving days in the hands of drivers that
their driving style suits a givin truck.

I like them both, time will tell what I like better for my driving style. For
now I'll race them both and keep working on them til I feel I''m getting
the most out of them.

Nice job by both Losi & AE IMO... Thank you both of you"
Awesome post! Exactly what I want to see here.

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Ya I was going to be snatching up their 4pole as well if I went with Tekin. I am leaning towards them now. Seems like a good company and everyone likes them, itll be nice to switch it up from castle as well try something new. Thanks!
I haven't heard of this. Any links or info?
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Quick question to the guys running a MMP,
are you making it all the way to the rx box going under the battery tray, or do you re-route it?

BTW, excellent post Chuck!
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Originally Posted by b121774 View Post
Awesome post! Exactly what I want to see here.



I haven't heard of this. Any links or info?
I was actually mistaken. Someone that responded to me said the tekin 4pole. I meant their sc4x sensored. The guy that responded to my previous post said they were releasing one next month, but I did some Google searches and couldn't find any info on it.
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Originally Posted by merx9 View Post
I was actually mistaken. Someone that responded to me said the tekin 4pole. I meant their sc4x sensored. The guy that responded to my previous post said they were releasing one next month, but I did some Google searches and couldn't find any info on it.
Did someone at Tekin say they are releasing one next month? Last I heard it was a rumor, but a smilie face did come from Randy at Tekin when I asked about it three weeks ago. I would love to see a sensored 4 pole 550...
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Originally Posted by SaladFork View Post
Did someone at Tekin say they are releasing one next month? Last I heard it was a rumor, but a smilie face did come from Randy at Tekin when I asked about it three weeks ago. I would love to see a sensored 4 pole 550...
I really dont know, but maybe it isnt just a rumor
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All it will take is one company to make one and all others will follow suit. The problem I have found when asking for new products, if it doesn't pass ROAR inspection companies like Tekin, Novak and Viper will not make something that isn't geared for ROAR events. The majority of the products they make are for racing and I imagine make most of their money from their racing products.

So hopefully Tekin will go against the grain and make a sensored 4 pole anyways.
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Originally Posted by SaladFork View Post
Did someone at Tekin say they are releasing one next month? Last I heard it was a rumor, but a smilie face did come from Randy at Tekin when I asked about it three weeks ago. I would love to see a sensored 4 pole 550...
info i got from Randy was there in testing now and are expecting them in the market place late next month if all goes to plan

yes that is correct a 4 pole motor fully sensored to run against the 1410 unsensored

will be a perfect match for the RX8 in our 4x4 SCT
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if thats true, im getting them and selling the rx8s for the vipers
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if thats true, im getting them and selling the rx8s for the vipers
are you saying the Vipers are working better then the RX8 for you ? if so thats a good rap for a new product on the market
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