9LikesLosi 1/10 TEN-SCTE ARR 4x4 Short Course Truck Thread
04-11-2011, 10:21 PM
#6286
my blocks are getting a groove from the shims/washers.. seems like the material is too soft.. the shims/washers embedded themselves into the blocks and was a pain to remove... washers is flush with the blocks... anyone having the same problems??
left block has the shim still on.. right block has shim removed...
left block has the shim still on.. right block has shim removed...
04-11-2011, 10:29 PM
#6287
my blocks are getting a groove from the shims/washers.. seems like the material is too soft.. the shims/washers embedded themselves into the blocks and was a pain to remove... washers is flush with the blocks... anyone having the same problems??
left block has the shim still on.. right block has shim removed...
left block has the shim still on.. right block has shim removed...
Uh oh. Hope this isn't the next dif weak link. At least the blocks have 2 side that could be used to help extend the life.
04-11-2011, 10:40 PM
#6289
Congrats its page 420!!
04-11-2011, 10:41 PM
#6290
I just wanted to say, I've really enjoyed today's hot button topic, the 540 (1410) vs. 550 can vs. 1/8th scale motor, 2s vs 3s talk. These kinds of topics often get VERY heated and I really want to commend all of us that have been involved for keeping it relevant, rational and for the most part a good intelligent and knowledgeable conversation.
The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how versatile the SCTE really is
We all run on very different surfaces, track lengths, track styles (open vs. tight, small and large), different climates, indoor and outdoor. Then you factor in how differently almost every one of our driving styles are. With all that as well as other factors, one setup isn't going to be perfect for everybody. Even 2 different people on the exact same track at the same time will perform differently and may be better off with different setups.
Ok back to todays topic real quick. I just wanted to point out an analogy that I think many of you can grasp since there seem to be a very large motocross and RC offroading crossover...I look at the 550 can motors on 2s as 2-stroke motors, small displacement and gets a lot of power out of that small displacement. This is why you see 250cc 4-strokes race in the same class as the 125cc 2-strokes and 450cc 4-strokes racing in the same class as the 250cc 2-strokes. While the 1/8th scale motors on 3s are more like a 4-stroke. It takes a lot more displacement to get the same amount of power. The benefit to the larger displacement of the 4-stroke vs 2-stroke is better low-end torque and less pollutants. In this analogy, the "pollutants" for our purposes is heat while in MX bikes, it's actual carbon based pollution. The advantages of the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke is more power from less displacement and weight savings. In the MX world, 2-strokes and larger displacement 4-strokes have been racing very successfully together for years now. I really don't think it's too much to ask for us to be able to do the same.
Just a question that I'd like to pose to those of you who are adamantly against allowing the use of 1/8th scale systems on 3s for racing purposes? I think we've covered pretty well that the 1/8th scale motors don't have any performance advantages over the 550 cans and certainly are penalized for the added weight systems and as well as the 3s battery. So why is it that you don't want to run against someone who is using the 1/8 scale system? Is there any legitimate reasoning that anyone has?
Personally, I think the CHOICE should be allowed up to the end user. I've run into people that have run both and prefer the 550's light and nimbleness to the 1/8th systems. As well as people that prefer the 1/8th system over the 550's because of their durability. I think that both systems achieve the same performance just use different means of getting there.
The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how versatile the SCTE really is
We all run on very different surfaces, track lengths, track styles (open vs. tight, small and large), different climates, indoor and outdoor. Then you factor in how differently almost every one of our driving styles are. With all that as well as other factors, one setup isn't going to be perfect for everybody. Even 2 different people on the exact same track at the same time will perform differently and may be better off with different setups. Ok back to todays topic real quick. I just wanted to point out an analogy that I think many of you can grasp since there seem to be a very large motocross and RC offroading crossover...I look at the 550 can motors on 2s as 2-stroke motors, small displacement and gets a lot of power out of that small displacement. This is why you see 250cc 4-strokes race in the same class as the 125cc 2-strokes and 450cc 4-strokes racing in the same class as the 250cc 2-strokes. While the 1/8th scale motors on 3s are more like a 4-stroke. It takes a lot more displacement to get the same amount of power. The benefit to the larger displacement of the 4-stroke vs 2-stroke is better low-end torque and less pollutants. In this analogy, the "pollutants" for our purposes is heat while in MX bikes, it's actual carbon based pollution. The advantages of the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke is more power from less displacement and weight savings. In the MX world, 2-strokes and larger displacement 4-strokes have been racing very successfully together for years now. I really don't think it's too much to ask for us to be able to do the same.
Just a question that I'd like to pose to those of you who are adamantly against allowing the use of 1/8th scale systems on 3s for racing purposes? I think we've covered pretty well that the 1/8th scale motors don't have any performance advantages over the 550 cans and certainly are penalized for the added weight systems and as well as the 3s battery. So why is it that you don't want to run against someone who is using the 1/8 scale system? Is there any legitimate reasoning that anyone has?
Personally, I think the CHOICE should be allowed up to the end user. I've run into people that have run both and prefer the 550's light and nimbleness to the 1/8th systems. As well as people that prefer the 1/8th system over the 550's because of their durability. I think that both systems achieve the same performance just use different means of getting there.
04-11-2011, 10:58 PM
#6291
I just wanted to say, I've really enjoyed today's hot button topic, the 540 (1410) vs. 550 can vs. 1/8th scale motor, 2s vs 3s talk. These kinds of topics often get VERY heated and I really want to commend all of us that have been involved for keeping it relevant, rational and for the most part a good intelligent and knowledgeable conversation.
The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how versatile the SCTE really is We all run on very different surfaces, track lengths, track styles (open vs. tight, small and large), different climates, indoor and outdoor. Then you factor in how differently almost every one of our driving styles are. With all that as well as other factors, one setup isn't going to be perfect for everybody. Even 2 different people on the exact same track at the same time will perform differently and may be better off with different setups.
Ok back to todays topic real quick. I just wanted to point out an analogy that I think many of you can grasp since there seem to be a very large motocross and RC offroading crossover...I look at the 550 can motors on 2s as 2-stroke motors, small displacement and gets a lot of power out of that small displacement. This is why you see 250cc 4-strokes race in the same class as the 125cc 2-strokes and 450cc 4-strokes racing in the same class as the 250cc 2-strokes. While the 1/8th scale motors on 3s are more like a 4-stroke. It takes a lot more displacement to get the same amount of power. The benefit to the larger displacement of the 4-stroke vs 2-stroke is better low-end torque and less pollutants. In this analogy, the "pollutants" for our purposes is heat while in MX bikes, it's actual carbon based pollution. The advantages of the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke is more power from less displacement and weight savings. In the MX world, 2-strokes and larger displacement 4-strokes have been racing very successfully together for years now. I really don't think it's too much to ask for us to be able to do the same.
Just a question that I'd like to pose to those of you who are adamantly against allowing the use of 1/8th scale systems on 3s for racing purposes? I think we've covered pretty well that the 1/8th scale motors don't have any performance advantages over the 550 cans and certainly are penalized for the added weight systems and as well as the 3s battery. So why is it that you don't want to run against someone who is using the 1/8 scale system? Is there any legitimate reasoning that anyone has?
Personally, I think the CHOICE should be allowed up to the end user. I've run into people that have run both and prefer the 550's light and nimbleness to the 1/8th systems. As well as people that prefer the 1/8th system over the 550's because of their durability. I think that both systems achieve the same performance just use different means of getting there.
The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how versatile the SCTE really is
We all run on very different surfaces, track lengths, track styles (open vs. tight, small and large), different climates, indoor and outdoor. Then you factor in how differently almost every one of our driving styles are. With all that as well as other factors, one setup isn't going to be perfect for everybody. Even 2 different people on the exact same track at the same time will perform differently and may be better off with different setups. Ok back to todays topic real quick. I just wanted to point out an analogy that I think many of you can grasp since there seem to be a very large motocross and RC offroading crossover...I look at the 550 can motors on 2s as 2-stroke motors, small displacement and gets a lot of power out of that small displacement. This is why you see 250cc 4-strokes race in the same class as the 125cc 2-strokes and 450cc 4-strokes racing in the same class as the 250cc 2-strokes. While the 1/8th scale motors on 3s are more like a 4-stroke. It takes a lot more displacement to get the same amount of power. The benefit to the larger displacement of the 4-stroke vs 2-stroke is better low-end torque and less pollutants. In this analogy, the "pollutants" for our purposes is heat while in MX bikes, it's actual carbon based pollution. The advantages of the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke is more power from less displacement and weight savings. In the MX world, 2-strokes and larger displacement 4-strokes have been racing very successfully together for years now. I really don't think it's too much to ask for us to be able to do the same.
Just a question that I'd like to pose to those of you who are adamantly against allowing the use of 1/8th scale systems on 3s for racing purposes? I think we've covered pretty well that the 1/8th scale motors don't have any performance advantages over the 550 cans and certainly are penalized for the added weight systems and as well as the 3s battery. So why is it that you don't want to run against someone who is using the 1/8 scale system? Is there any legitimate reasoning that anyone has?
Personally, I think the CHOICE should be allowed up to the end user. I've run into people that have run both and prefer the 550's light and nimbleness to the 1/8th systems. As well as people that prefer the 1/8th system over the 550's because of their durability. I think that both systems achieve the same performance just use different means of getting there.
Scott, to be honest I didn't even know you were running 3s at first. In fact I didn't know until you posted on here you were. IMO your 1/8th setup on 3s was in the same neighborhood as my 1415 on 2s. You weren't blowing my doors off, and when I was having good runs during practice(which were few and far between
) our trucks were matched up pretty good. That says it all right there if you ask me. Can't wait to come back up and rub fenders again
04-11-2011, 11:01 PM
#6292
I just wanted to say, I've really enjoyed today's hot button topic, the 540 (1410) vs. 550 can vs. 1/8th scale motor, 2s vs 3s talk. These kinds of topics often get VERY heated and I really want to commend all of us that have been involved for keeping it relevant, rational and for the most part a good intelligent and knowledgeable conversation.
The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how versatile the SCTE really is We all run on very different surfaces, track lengths, track styles (open vs. tight, small and large), different climates, indoor and outdoor. Then you factor in how differently almost every one of our driving styles are. With all that as well as other factors, one setup isn't going to be perfect for everybody. Even 2 different people on the exact same track at the same time will perform differently and may be better off with different setups.
Ok back to todays topic real quick. I just wanted to point out an analogy that I think many of you can grasp since there seem to be a very large motocross and RC offroading crossover...I look at the 550 can motors on 2s as 2-stroke motors, small displacement and gets a lot of power out of that small displacement. This is why you see 250cc 4-strokes race in the same class as the 125cc 2-strokes and 450cc 4-strokes racing in the same class as the 250cc 2-strokes. While the 1/8th scale motors on 3s are more like a 4-stroke. It takes a lot more displacement to get the same amount of power. The benefit to the larger displacement of the 4-stroke vs 2-stroke is better low-end torque and less pollutants. In this analogy, the "pollutants" for our purposes is heat while in MX bikes, it's actual carbon based pollution. The advantages of the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke is more power from less displacement and weight savings. In the MX world, 2-strokes and larger displacement 4-strokes have been racing very successfully together for years now. I really don't think it's too much to ask for us to be able to do the same.
Just a question that I'd like to pose to those of you who are adamantly against allowing the use of 1/8th scale systems on 3s for racing purposes? I think we've covered pretty well that the 1/8th scale motors don't have any performance advantages over the 550 cans and certainly are penalized for the added weight systems and as well as the 3s battery. So why is it that you don't want to run against someone who is using the 1/8 scale system? Is there any legitimate reasoning that anyone has?
Personally, I think the CHOICE should be allowed up to the end user. I've run into people that have run both and prefer the 550's light and nimbleness to the 1/8th systems. As well as people that prefer the 1/8th system over the 550's because of their durability. I think that both systems achieve the same performance just use different means of getting there.
The fact that we're even having this conversation shows how versatile the SCTE really is
We all run on very different surfaces, track lengths, track styles (open vs. tight, small and large), different climates, indoor and outdoor. Then you factor in how differently almost every one of our driving styles are. With all that as well as other factors, one setup isn't going to be perfect for everybody. Even 2 different people on the exact same track at the same time will perform differently and may be better off with different setups. Ok back to todays topic real quick. I just wanted to point out an analogy that I think many of you can grasp since there seem to be a very large motocross and RC offroading crossover...I look at the 550 can motors on 2s as 2-stroke motors, small displacement and gets a lot of power out of that small displacement. This is why you see 250cc 4-strokes race in the same class as the 125cc 2-strokes and 450cc 4-strokes racing in the same class as the 250cc 2-strokes. While the 1/8th scale motors on 3s are more like a 4-stroke. It takes a lot more displacement to get the same amount of power. The benefit to the larger displacement of the 4-stroke vs 2-stroke is better low-end torque and less pollutants. In this analogy, the "pollutants" for our purposes is heat while in MX bikes, it's actual carbon based pollution. The advantages of the 2-stroke vs 4-stroke is more power from less displacement and weight savings. In the MX world, 2-strokes and larger displacement 4-strokes have been racing very successfully together for years now. I really don't think it's too much to ask for us to be able to do the same.
Just a question that I'd like to pose to those of you who are adamantly against allowing the use of 1/8th scale systems on 3s for racing purposes? I think we've covered pretty well that the 1/8th scale motors don't have any performance advantages over the 550 cans and certainly are penalized for the added weight systems and as well as the 3s battery. So why is it that you don't want to run against someone who is using the 1/8 scale system? Is there any legitimate reasoning that anyone has?
Personally, I think the CHOICE should be allowed up to the end user. I've run into people that have run both and prefer the 550's light and nimbleness to the 1/8th systems. As well as people that prefer the 1/8th system over the 550's because of their durability. I think that both systems achieve the same performance just use different means of getting there.
I just want people to get nice long run times, have no heat issues and a reliable ESC that can last a season. So far all the testing I and quite a few others have done point to this being a good option for this truck. But I don't see the Rango guys stacking packs and the AE is 2S only (from what I can tell). The Jammin and Hyper10 don't really need 3s to be pushed for 10-12 minutes hard. I don't see it as a winning battle... But if ROAR can approve 4 pole motors, I think it would help with the strain on the electronics.
But I am all for 3S in races...
04-11-2011, 11:37 PM
#6296
04-11-2011, 11:37 PM
#6297
is losi making a revised 1/10 ten-scte 4x4 to cure all issues particularly the weak diff pins, weak diff parts, weak bumpers and shock towers? is there a graphite shock towers? and more importantly is losi doing something about the thin center f/r dogbones because it bends and wables easily. i hope there is because i am very eager to buy a scte 4x4. thank you
04-11-2011, 11:41 PM
#6298
Tech Addict
04-11-2011, 11:43 PM
#6299
Tech Addict
is losi making a revised 1/10 ten-scte 4x4 to cure all issues particularly the weak diff pins, weak diff parts, weak bumpers and shock towers? is there a graphite shock towers? and more importantly is losi doing something about the thin center f/r dogbones because it bends and wables easily. i hope there is because i am very eager to buy a scte 4x4. thank you
Better than a weak truck. Damn who made one of those. lol
04-11-2011, 11:44 PM
#6300
Yea 4 poles are great, Kingdom Racer got me on the 4 pole kick, I'm addicted. I will say the last track layout the 3800 was almost to much for the track. I turned quicker laps with the sensored setup, but have more fun driving the 4 pole. My last race I went back to the 5.5 Tekin, still sucked but it's perfect for the small indoor track. Outside the 3800 is going to be killer, can't wait.
I plan on keeping the Tekin 5.5 for the AE and run the 4 poles in the Losi. I'm using a SP 5.5 right now and it feel almost identical to the Tekin. The Viper 550 4.5 was a little quicker than the Novak 4.5 but ran a little warmer. Going to pick up all new packs in the next couple of weeks and go back to the 4 pole for the outdoor season.
I plan on keeping the Tekin 5.5 for the AE and run the 4 poles in the Losi. I'm using a SP 5.5 right now and it feel almost identical to the Tekin. The Viper 550 4.5 was a little quicker than the Novak 4.5 but ran a little warmer. Going to pick up all new packs in the next couple of weeks and go back to the 4 pole for the outdoor season.