ROAR has banned a sct tire that's barely released
12-31-2010, 09:13 PM
#197
SC has become a joke in general. I don't see this class taking over Stadium Trucks.
I don't see why it matters. People don't run "box stock" classes at my track because that became a full racer class. No one could show up with a truely box stock truck truck and think of being competetive.
When it became unpopular to run box stock all the bashers started running open SC. Very few racers run open SC at my track, hell I've ran my sc10 3 times since I've bought it.
Racers end up running truck, buggy or wheeler.
I don't see why it matters. People don't run "box stock" classes at my track because that became a full racer class. No one could show up with a truely box stock truck truck and think of being competetive.
When it became unpopular to run box stock all the bashers started running open SC. Very few racers run open SC at my track, hell I've ran my sc10 3 times since I've bought it.
Racers end up running truck, buggy or wheeler.
12-31-2010, 11:59 PM
#198
SC has become a joke in general. I don't see this class taking over Stadium Trucks.
I don't see why it matters. People don't run "box stock" classes at my track because that became a full racer class. No one could show up with a truely box stock truck truck and think of being competetive.
When it became unpopular to run box stock all the bashers started running open SC. Very few racers run open SC at my track, hell I've ran my sc10 3 times since I've bought it.
Racers end up running truck, buggy or wheeler.
I don't see why it matters. People don't run "box stock" classes at my track because that became a full racer class. No one could show up with a truely box stock truck truck and think of being competetive.
When it became unpopular to run box stock all the bashers started running open SC. Very few racers run open SC at my track, hell I've ran my sc10 3 times since I've bought it.
Racers end up running truck, buggy or wheeler.
01-01-2011, 03:23 AM
#199
That does not mean this class is not a joke though. It started as a great basher first timer class and is struggling to loose this status. The class allows people to drive like hacks and just shrug it off. "It has full fenders, rubbing is racing"
Shunning tires that will improve the handling but are not "scale" is going to keep SCT in the basher realm. I do not understand the thinking behind trying to preserve the bad habits of something. These are race trucks scale or not you tweak and tune to make faster laps. You can allow this to happen or watch the real racers move on to a different class. This might be what a lot of people want since it means to win they just have to stick with it vs actually improve something about their driving or truck. They will be winning since the better drivers move on to something else.
Honestly the whole keeping things scale argument is pointless until these trucks have solid axles in the rear. We are already racing buggies and ST with just a bigger body.
01-01-2011, 07:39 AM
#200
Its a good thing that its a joke, at least there is one class where people know how to have fun.
01-01-2011, 07:57 AM
#201
01-01-2011, 08:05 AM
#202
Tech Adept
SC is the first class that I have seen where the racers do not think this class will get them to the Daytona 500.
01-01-2011, 08:52 AM
#203
Tech Regular
Nah, unfortunately, due to their reactive nature. If you want to legislate, then be proactive, set the rules then sit back and enjoy the results. If (i.e. ESC timing) something crops up that you don't like, and it's legal as per your rules, then suck it up sunshine, you failed to frame the regulations properly. By all means change the rules, but do it properly, don't change mid season (luckily ROARS rules do take time to filter across to other bodies), in fact propose the rule, continue with the status quo for the current an following year to allow time for reasoned debate, then have a member wide vote on the changes.
ROAR also seem to have a bit of thing re: "Scale" - they use it as an excuse for banning things they don't like i.e.
(a) Cab forward bodies - these are far more to scale than the currently legal bodies, but not so according to ROAR.
(b) Wide (proline V3) tyres. How many real buggies do you see with the rear rims the same size as the front? Instead of banning them, just restrict their use to the rears. They last longer, give better traction and look more realistic than 2 same size pair.
I read your red post and noticed you couldn't spell come on - glass houses ....
No, its an indication of free thinking intelligence, not slavishly following rules because they're, um the freakin rules ok!
Pay anyone to participate in their chosen hobby and if they are true professionals they'll shut up and toe the party line! In private they may express differing opinions, but they know who butters their bread, so in public the bosses opinion is absolute truth.
And I reiterate that ROAR rules have a habit of finding their way into other bodies rule books, so unfortuntely your hitting one nail into a large board.
1. How do they look stupid if your running shiny side up, rubbing doors with your competition?
2. The "Big Picture" - 1 or 2 set of fronts - makes it cheaper for all.
3. You may consider yourself and your regulators as the be all and end all of the hobby, but in reality it's the guys on here bitching about these new regulations that are in the majority.
ROAR also seem to have a bit of thing re: "Scale" - they use it as an excuse for banning things they don't like i.e.
(a) Cab forward bodies - these are far more to scale than the currently legal bodies, but not so according to ROAR.
(b) Wide (proline V3) tyres. How many real buggies do you see with the rear rims the same size as the front? Instead of banning them, just restrict their use to the rears. They last longer, give better traction and look more realistic than 2 same size pair.
I read your red post and noticed you couldn't spell come on - glass houses ....
No, its an indication of free thinking intelligence, not slavishly following rules because they're, um the freakin rules ok!
Pay anyone to participate in their chosen hobby and if they are true professionals they'll shut up and toe the party line! In private they may express differing opinions, but they know who butters their bread, so in public the bosses opinion is absolute truth.
And I reiterate that ROAR rules have a habit of finding their way into other bodies rule books, so unfortuntely your hitting one nail into a large board.
2. The "Big Picture" - 1 or 2 set of fronts - makes it cheaper for all.
3. You may consider yourself and your regulators as the be all and end all of the hobby, but in reality it's the guys on here bitching about these new regulations that are in the majority.
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01-01-2011, 12:02 PM
#204
Pretty good read so far,
Been thinking about going back for some 1/10th racing. Seems that with changes to rules topics such as this always seem to arise. Does make me think of many things over the years that have fallen into the same discussions. I don't always agree with what ROAR sets for rules, but do try to understand them. I think in this case ROAR is attempting to be more "Proactive". This to me should be a good thing, and I hope that it means that the powers that be are now looking to take steps in the right direction. I didn't and don't really want to go with the SC class for the reason that I don't prefer that way that are, but there is no doubt that the class is a popular class with racers of all skill levels. I would suspect that it may at some point become the truck class to run vs. the ST class.
It is what it is I guess. I would like to see a more uniform rule set used at more tracks. I think that would help in many ways. Kind of along the line of the way it used to be. For whatever reason, many tracks don't follow the ROAR rules to a "T", and that is ok. I do think that many tracks use the ROAR rules as a guideline for what they need. Let's face it, a lot of the grunt work has already been done by ROAR with class rules and for better or worse it is the standard to which many tracks base their rules from. I do think there are a couple of Series that seem to have a little better standard rule set in place that is pretty uniform at more of a "club" level. The Pro Series and JBRL comes to mind. Racers that run in one or both series know the deal and it doesn't change much from track to track in the series. I would hope that ROAR sees that and may be looking for some fresh ideas that can be used on their end. Just a thought.
Been thinking about going back for some 1/10th racing. Seems that with changes to rules topics such as this always seem to arise. Does make me think of many things over the years that have fallen into the same discussions. I don't always agree with what ROAR sets for rules, but do try to understand them. I think in this case ROAR is attempting to be more "Proactive". This to me should be a good thing, and I hope that it means that the powers that be are now looking to take steps in the right direction. I didn't and don't really want to go with the SC class for the reason that I don't prefer that way that are, but there is no doubt that the class is a popular class with racers of all skill levels. I would suspect that it may at some point become the truck class to run vs. the ST class.
It is what it is I guess. I would like to see a more uniform rule set used at more tracks. I think that would help in many ways. Kind of along the line of the way it used to be. For whatever reason, many tracks don't follow the ROAR rules to a "T", and that is ok. I do think that many tracks use the ROAR rules as a guideline for what they need. Let's face it, a lot of the grunt work has already been done by ROAR with class rules and for better or worse it is the standard to which many tracks base their rules from. I do think there are a couple of Series that seem to have a little better standard rule set in place that is pretty uniform at more of a "club" level. The Pro Series and JBRL comes to mind. Racers that run in one or both series know the deal and it doesn't change much from track to track in the series. I would hope that ROAR sees that and may be looking for some fresh ideas that can be used on their end. Just a thought.
01-01-2011, 02:14 PM
#205
I agree with this 100%! I just picked up a XXX-SCT and I think the OEM tire it ships with needs to go as well. This class is popular because it represents a vehicle everyone can relate to.
If I want to run a scale looking vehicle, why should I go grab an airplane? I want to run a Pro 2/4 truck and I want it to resemble the real thing. I wish every track would adopt this tire rule. Has nothing to do with performance or cost for me, only the scale appearance.
If I want to run a scale looking vehicle, why should I go grab an airplane? I want to run a Pro 2/4 truck and I want it to resemble the real thing. I wish every track would adopt this tire rule. Has nothing to do with performance or cost for me, only the scale appearance.
01-01-2011, 02:58 PM
#206
If I want to run a scale looking vehicle, why should I go grab an airplane? I want to run a Pro 2/4 truck and I want it to resemble the real thing. I wish every track would adopt this tire rule. Has nothing to do with performance or cost for me, only the scale appearance.
TORC tire rules:
33. TIRES
A. Only one tire per axle wheel position is permitted.
B. Class PRO 2WD and PRO 4X4 will be allowed to use either D.O.T. or “project tires”. The
maximum tire size will be 35 x 12.50/17. Minimum air pressure at the starting line will be 13.0 psi.
Maximum tread width is 10.20”. The maximum tread width will be measured from the
outermost edges of the tread block on a new tire. If after competition the material used to
support the sides of the tread block enters the tread width, allowances will be made providing
the design is not intended to circumvent the rule.
Maximum section width is 13.20”. Section width will include any side blocks including
staggered side blocks. Maximum diameter is 35.0”. All measurements will be taken on a race
ready wheel at 13.0 psi. Maximum wheel size is 10.0” x 15”, 10.0” x 16” or 9.0” x 17”.
Minimum wheel backspacing will be 3.75”.
All inspections will be with TORC/USAC “Go-No-Go” gauges. Race vehicles may be
measured pre or post race.
All other classes must use D.O.T. tires. Sizes are mandated in each class’s general rules.
C. TORC Series definition of the term D.O.T. is as follows.
1. Must meet all D.O.T. guidelines and tests and be stamped accordingly.
2. Must be part of a full line of like tires available through retail dealers.
3. Must be readily available to the general public in quantity if requested.
4. Model of tire must be offered in multiple sizes and conform in size with industry standards.
5. Retail pricing must be competitive with other manufacturers of like tires.
6. Manufacturers wishing to compete in a D.O.T. Class must submit, no later than 60 days in
advance of the first competition:
a. Size or sizes of tires intending to use
b. Design measurements and weight of tire
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c. Target design durameter of tire
d. Digital picture of tread area as molded
e. Sample catalog, listing intended tire
f. List of retail distributors where tire is available.
“One-off” or limited run tires will not be allowed. The maximum penalty for not conforming to
these rules will result in a DQ from the race as well as forfeiture of all driver and tire manufacturer
points.
Roar SCT tire rules:
Tires
Diameter mounted Minimum 106.68 (4.20 in)
Tire Width (Mounted) Maximum 46.99mm (1.85 in)
8.10.12.4 No tire tread cutting, bald tires or custom cut tires allowed.
8.10.12.6 Tire Mounted: Minimum Diameter of the tire (mounted) is established to limit extremely low profile designs. The target dimension (new tire) is established at 4.30 Inches. To compensate for wear, molding tolerances, degradation of foam inserts, the pre- race minimum allowable diameter of a mounted tire is 4.20 inches. Tracks and Promoters are encouraged to select a “Stated” tire that works best for their particular
location.
ROAR's rules are not very scale if we are trying to have a scale version of Pro 2/4
01-01-2011, 04:52 PM
#207
01-01-2011, 05:22 PM
#208
Wow this is a serious case...
Proline and JConcepts should just give away those tires...
Proline and JConcepts should just give away those tires...
01-02-2011, 01:40 PM
#209
do the tires really help in handling though? I know at one of the tracks I visit most don't use ribbed fronts on their 1/10th truck or buggy..anyway I personally couldn't care less about the ban side of it but I think ribs on a SCT does look pretty stupid
01-02-2011, 01:50 PM
#210
What is the scale tire version of Pro 2/4 truck? They have unlimited tire tread options. They can run any tread(they cut and create) they want as long as the tire is no larger than 35" diameter and meets a certain width. Seems like ROAR's rules are a little off since we are stuck using production tires and cannot cut them for track conditions.
TORC tire rules:
33. TIRES
A. Only one tire per axle wheel position is permitted.
B. Class PRO 2WD and PRO 4X4 will be allowed to use either D.O.T. or “project tires”. The
maximum tire size will be 35 x 12.50/17. Minimum air pressure at the starting line will be 13.0 psi.
Maximum tread width is 10.20”. The maximum tread width will be measured from the
outermost edges of the tread block on a new tire. If after competition the material used to
support the sides of the tread block enters the tread width, allowances will be made providing
the design is not intended to circumvent the rule.
Maximum section width is 13.20”. Section width will include any side blocks including
staggered side blocks. Maximum diameter is 35.0”. All measurements will be taken on a race
ready wheel at 13.0 psi. Maximum wheel size is 10.0” x 15”, 10.0” x 16” or 9.0” x 17”.
Minimum wheel backspacing will be 3.75”.
All inspections will be with TORC/USAC “Go-No-Go” gauges. Race vehicles may be
measured pre or post race.
All other classes must use D.O.T. tires. Sizes are mandated in each class’s general rules.
C. TORC Series definition of the term D.O.T. is as follows.
1. Must meet all D.O.T. guidelines and tests and be stamped accordingly.
2. Must be part of a full line of like tires available through retail dealers.
3. Must be readily available to the general public in quantity if requested.
4. Model of tire must be offered in multiple sizes and conform in size with industry standards.
5. Retail pricing must be competitive with other manufacturers of like tires.
6. Manufacturers wishing to compete in a D.O.T. Class must submit, no later than 60 days in
advance of the first competition:
a. Size or sizes of tires intending to use
b. Design measurements and weight of tire
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c. Target design durameter of tire
d. Digital picture of tread area as molded
e. Sample catalog, listing intended tire
f. List of retail distributors where tire is available.
“One-off” or limited run tires will not be allowed. The maximum penalty for not conforming to
these rules will result in a DQ from the race as well as forfeiture of all driver and tire manufacturer
points.
Roar SCT tire rules:
Tires
Diameter mounted Minimum 106.68 (4.20 in)
Tire Width (Mounted) Maximum 46.99mm (1.85 in)
8.10.12.4 No tire tread cutting, bald tires or custom cut tires allowed.
8.10.12.6 Tire Mounted: Minimum Diameter of the tire (mounted) is established to limit extremely low profile designs. The target dimension (new tire) is established at 4.30 Inches. To compensate for wear, molding tolerances, degradation of foam inserts, the pre- race minimum allowable diameter of a mounted tire is 4.20 inches. Tracks and Promoters are encouraged to select a “Stated” tire that works best for their particular
location.
ROAR's rules are not very scale if we are trying to have a scale version of Pro 2/4
TORC tire rules:
33. TIRES
A. Only one tire per axle wheel position is permitted.
B. Class PRO 2WD and PRO 4X4 will be allowed to use either D.O.T. or “project tires”. The
maximum tire size will be 35 x 12.50/17. Minimum air pressure at the starting line will be 13.0 psi.
Maximum tread width is 10.20”. The maximum tread width will be measured from the
outermost edges of the tread block on a new tire. If after competition the material used to
support the sides of the tread block enters the tread width, allowances will be made providing
the design is not intended to circumvent the rule.
Maximum section width is 13.20”. Section width will include any side blocks including
staggered side blocks. Maximum diameter is 35.0”. All measurements will be taken on a race
ready wheel at 13.0 psi. Maximum wheel size is 10.0” x 15”, 10.0” x 16” or 9.0” x 17”.
Minimum wheel backspacing will be 3.75”.
All inspections will be with TORC/USAC “Go-No-Go” gauges. Race vehicles may be
measured pre or post race.
All other classes must use D.O.T. tires. Sizes are mandated in each class’s general rules.
C. TORC Series definition of the term D.O.T. is as follows.
1. Must meet all D.O.T. guidelines and tests and be stamped accordingly.
2. Must be part of a full line of like tires available through retail dealers.
3. Must be readily available to the general public in quantity if requested.
4. Model of tire must be offered in multiple sizes and conform in size with industry standards.
5. Retail pricing must be competitive with other manufacturers of like tires.
6. Manufacturers wishing to compete in a D.O.T. Class must submit, no later than 60 days in
advance of the first competition:
a. Size or sizes of tires intending to use
b. Design measurements and weight of tire
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c. Target design durameter of tire
d. Digital picture of tread area as molded
e. Sample catalog, listing intended tire
f. List of retail distributors where tire is available.
“One-off” or limited run tires will not be allowed. The maximum penalty for not conforming to
these rules will result in a DQ from the race as well as forfeiture of all driver and tire manufacturer
points.
Roar SCT tire rules:
Tires
Diameter mounted Minimum 106.68 (4.20 in)
Tire Width (Mounted) Maximum 46.99mm (1.85 in)
8.10.12.4 No tire tread cutting, bald tires or custom cut tires allowed.
8.10.12.6 Tire Mounted: Minimum Diameter of the tire (mounted) is established to limit extremely low profile designs. The target dimension (new tire) is established at 4.30 Inches. To compensate for wear, molding tolerances, degradation of foam inserts, the pre- race minimum allowable diameter of a mounted tire is 4.20 inches. Tracks and Promoters are encouraged to select a “Stated” tire that works best for their particular
location.
ROAR's rules are not very scale if we are trying to have a scale version of Pro 2/4