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Old 04-24-2006, 06:13 AM   #31
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if you want to get rit of the 3 springs clutch
and want a real easy clutch go for a fioroni sliding
what a releave, it's marvellous
installation just takes a few minutes..
why aren't all clutches like this?..


the werks is great when you get it working your way
but the orion clutch seems better
no shimming because flywheel is as tick as the original ones
and nut/ajustments stay put better too, 6 shoes
but it is more costly

I always found metal to metal clutches unhealthy
carbon to steel sounds better

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Old 04-24-2006, 07:21 AM   #32
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I ran the Orion one this weekend....
And had several issues...

At first it wouldn't engage at the stock setting until VERY high RPM.
and when it did it slipped alot.....

I messed around with the spring tension, but never had great luck.

I will test it some more, but my Turbo slider was great right out of the package.

So, I may go back to that.
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Old 04-24-2006, 07:28 AM   #33
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I always found metal to metal clutches unhealthy
carbon to steel sounds better
I agree! The friction coefficients seem tell the same story - from an engineering point of view, it doesn't seem to add up. I know some swear by alloy clutch shoes, but I believe the 'optimal setup of all time' will invlove composite shoes!!
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Old 04-24-2006, 07:33 AM   #34
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I ran the Orion one this weekend....
And had several issues...

At first it wouldn't engage at the stock setting until VERY high RPM.
and when it did it slipped alot.....

I messed around with the spring tension, but never had great luck.

I will test it some more, but my Turbo slider was great right out of the package.

So, I may go back to that.
Turbo slider:1 Orion 6 shoe: 0



Thanks for the up to the minute news!

Do you get to choose from different shoes with the Orion? Perhaps some Rulon shoes would offer better grab/engagement?
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Old 04-24-2006, 10:39 AM   #35
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no
1 sort of shoes blue ones( sort of rulon)?
1 spring too
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Old 04-25-2006, 02:12 AM   #36
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I run the mugen prospec aluminium stock clutch system on my MBX5, depending on the off-road surface I play with the clutch spring to advance and/or delay single or multiple shoe engagement. On loose ground I run 0.9/1.0/1.1 spring, sometimes 0.9/1.1/1.1 other times 0.9/1.0/1.0 depending on the surface. It is cheap and effective for me. I run the Kfactory ventilated bell to reduce generated heat.

There is a new product which you can tune the clutch spring with the help of set screws.
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Old 04-25-2006, 06:46 AM   #37
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Are ventilated bells alright to use in dusty conditions? Is contamination an issue?

The reason I ask is because on the Savage, clutch bell heat is a big 'No No' due to the usage of a plastic spur (as stock).

Ideally of course, our clutches should generate very little heat in the first place. Any after market clutch I buy from this point forward will have to run nice and cool and efficiently.
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Old 04-25-2006, 09:11 AM   #38
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I still wonder why
the werks clutch and others whit the same working
have to have a thinner flywheel than stock factory clutches
is there something in the fonctioning that makes it necessary ???
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vented clutch bells aren't as bad an idea as they look. if dirt gets in, there's a better chance of it getting out of a vented clutch bell since the centrifugal force throws everything to the outer edge of the bell and eventually out of the way of the clutch shoes and the clutch bell. i'm using an ofna bell and like it so far.....
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speedy, I would think it's due to less weight. This will allow the engine to rev faster and give it a faster response. That being said, it's kinda moot as the Werks clutch has different shoe material and different tension springs for a infinte engagement.
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