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zaquiz 09-20-2010 11:37 AM
Timing on Novak motors!?
 
Hi,

Need some help with the timing on my motors. I run Novak Ballistic motors and Speed Passion GT2.0 speed controls.

For instance, in my 2wd B4 I have a 8.5T and the GT2.0. Is there an optimal software timing I should use? Also what end-bell timing is recommended for Novak motors?

Thanks in advance,
Z

NovakTwo 09-20-2010 11:43 AM
If you are using a Timing Advance esc, you could just leave your motor timing at the factory default, 30 degrees. We have linked a Tech Update on Ballistic Timing (PDF) to our Ballistic information pages (left column), for example:

BRUSHLESS HAS GONE BALLISTIC

zaquiz 09-20-2010 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by NovakTwo (Post 7963386)
If you are using a Timing Advance esc, you could just leave your motor timing at the factory default, 30 degrees. We have linked a Tech Update on Ballistic Timing (PDF) to our Ballistic information pages (left column), for example:
Thanks for your answer.

I have checked the document and it has answered one of my questions, all though, I was more curious about the Timing Advance I should use on my esc. Because I heard somewhere that Novak motors should be run with no (or low) timing advance on the esc? Is this true? Why if so?

Thanks again, great support!
Z

smokinu 09-20-2010 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by zaquiz (Post 7963856)
I heard somewhere that Novak motors should be run with no (or low) timing advance on the esc? Is this true? Why if so?

Thanks again, great support!
Z
Because they have 30* stock, thats a but load of timing as it is..

timing = speed = heat.

NovakTwo 09-20-2010 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by smokinu (Post 7963888)
Because they have 30* stock, thats a but load of timing as it is..

timing = speed = heat.
Since Novak designed the original sensored BL motors for R/C racing (4300s and 5800s), our factory pre-set has been an optimal 30 degrees. Why are you objecting now?

What factory pre-set would you suggest we adopt, and why?

NovakTwo 09-20-2010 02:42 PM
We can offer no guidance on other mfgs' esc timing advance settings. However, we suggest that, with the Kinetic, you start out by not changing your motor timing and follow the instructions that come with the Kinetic.

We do not advise using advanced timing with 3.5 or 4.5T 540 motors (offered by any mfg.).

Originally Posted by zaquiz (Post 7963856)
Thanks for your answer.

I have checked the document and it has answered one of my questions, all though, I was more curious about the Timing Advance I should use on my esc. Because I heard somewhere that Novak motors should be run with no (or low) timing advance on the esc? Is this true? Why if so?

Thanks again, great support!
Z

smokinu 09-20-2010 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by NovakTwo (Post 7964065)
Since Novak designed the original sensored BL motors for R/C racing (4300s and 5800s), our factory pre-set has been an optimal 30 degrees. Why are you objecting now?

What factory pre-set would you suggest we adopt, and why?
im not objecting, simply answering his question. :lol:

NovakTwo 09-20-2010 03:11 PM
Originally Posted by smokinu (Post 7964173)
im not objecting, simply answering his question. :lol:
Not to belabor this, but you said "thats a but load of timing as it is"

And I responded that it is optimal (not a butt load) electrical timing for our motor design:

We set our timing at an optimized point for most general applications. Adjusting the timing should only be done in small increments and with great care to observe the changes in system performance and temperatures.

Our Ballistic motors come with their timing calibrated and set from the factory. Using custom built and calibrated electronic equipment we set each and every motor to 30 degrees of timing. After Calibration the timing label is added and this set timing corresponds to the “N” or "30" on the timing label on the side.

The timing we are describing is the ACTUAL ELECTRICAL TIMING in the motor, not just some arbitrarily reference made from a point on the outside of the motor like many of our competitors' motors. This makes comparing timing settings between different brands of motors difficult without the proper equipment.

smokinu 09-20-2010 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by NovakTwo (Post 7964200)
Not to belabor this, but you said "thats a but load of timing as it is"

And I responded that it is optimal (not a butt load) electrical timing for our motor design:
right, 30* is "optimal" But its also high, Witch Means you dont have to add much timing on the esc its self

going back to

timing = speed = heat.

NovakTwo 09-20-2010 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by smokinu (Post 7964258)
right, 30* is "optimal" But its also high, Witch Means you dont have to add much timing on the esc its self

going back to

timing = speed = heat.
Optimal timing is not "high"; it is just right according to the motor design.

smokinu 09-20-2010 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by NovakTwo (Post 7964339)
Optimal timing is not "high"; it is just right according to the motor design.
your reading to far into it.......... :lol:

THE NOVAK MOTOR HAS 30* OF TIMING,

YOU DONT NEED TO ADD ESC TIMING OR IT COULD OVER HEAT THE NOVAK MOTORS.

That better for you?

NovakTwo 09-21-2010 09:23 AM
You win---I will just stop now.


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