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Old 06-20-2004, 07:55 AM   #1
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Default 2400 Nicad packs vs 3000 Nimh

I am just getting into the sport and have 2) 2400 high capacity Sanyo stick packs that came with my used truck. (All Deans plugged) They make my t4 w/Novak 5800 fly. I have 4) 3000 Nimh that I got new and have cycled so they are at their so called peak and they are just blaaaa . The truck goes about 5 mph slower and has about 25% less acceleration with Nimh. I do have a good charger Indi 16x4 pro. I can only assume it is because the voltage difference at peak charge that I see when the both charge. My question is where can I get some more at a good price because it seems everyone is only selling Nimhs? Any comments about the above post. I am learning and any info that helps me expand knowledge in this hobby would be appreciated.

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I also have been trying to buy up some of the NICD 2400 matched packs that people aren't using anymore. They work great for me and my kids' electrics and I don't want to pay that crazy price for 3000 or 3300 when we only race at a small local track. I guess if the competition got stiffer I would probably look into it but would have to be cost efficient before I would.
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I believe www.integy.com still sells matched 2400 packs. I still run race with smc 2400's every week in ele TC(and can still win with them), they last alot longer(lifespan) then gp3300's and can take more abuse.

zxracing.com sells gp3300 cells cheap. $50 for 12 cells or $30 for a matched pack.
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the used 3000s u have are probably abused 3000s. Also u dont point out if they are sanyo panosonic or powers???

The best of the best in 3000s where the sanyo 3000HV. Sanyo and pan both had two 3000s reliease and power only one version. If your 3000s are not sanyo 3000hv then i would agree the 2400s will likely be better. But properly cared for sanyos will be smokin the 2400s.

Rather then searching for new 2400s just get new GP3300s these are the most cost effective highest capacity and voltage cells released to date.

One thing about nihms is there lifespan is not as long as the nicads.
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My 3000's are brand new with about 7 runs on each.
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what brand and model of 3000s are they?
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Joel Lagace - I don't know about that. I've been running my smc 2400's against sanyo HV 3000's and gp 3300's for a year and a half and they run awsome. Power wise they drop off a little near the end but as long as you take care of them they last ages.

Granted if you get 2400's your buy old technology and you won't be able to be competative in mod, but they last ages if their taken care of and work fine for club races. If your club has a stock class that is ULTRA competative... then they would be a disadvantage though. Most of the super fast guys at my local club run 19t or mod.
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They are "racers edge" stick packs. They are cheapies. 4 for $90.00 So more less, You are saying I need to spend the money and get the 3300 high end packs for 60-70 to get the power that the 2400 NiCads have? I read somewhere that the Nicads have more voltage. That is what is giving me more speed and acceleration.Someone linked me to www.intedy.com and they are selling the high capacity 2400s for $45.00. An owner at a hobby shop said that it would be a waste of money to get the high end 3300 packs for bashing to get 1 minute more run time. But if I also lose 5 mph and 25% more acceleration were the basher packs really worth it? Example: If I hook up good in the grass, I can flip my T4 over from a wheelie with the 2400s and can't with the best running 3000 stik pack. I have even tried to discharge them to 5.3 volts and recharge and let cool and recharge, then discharge them let cool and recharge them. They seemed a hair better and gained a couple .3 or so volts before peaking but still no match in performance to the 2400 that stay fast as hell till they drop off.

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fatdog:
We run stock rubber and 19t foam touring. Both are competative. There is not a guy running 2400s here these days. In stock perhaps you may getaway with 2400s but i doubt you could keep up agains comperable drivers with 3300s. I run smc packs as well and the stickers say it all with 1.18v packs from GP3300 i can for sure recall none of my 2400s from SMC hit even that voltage nevermind run time. Locally to keep pace in either class u gotta run 3300s

TOM: Racers edge is the company that assembled or mathced them. The 3000 cell its self is made by either: SANYO,PANOSONIC or POWERS. Knowing who makes it will tell us alot as to why they do or do not keep up with 2400s.
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I don't want to cut open a pack to see. But is there someone out there who uses " bashing packs" like me and has spent the money to get a high dollar 3300 racing pack. What kind of top speed and acceleration difference did you see between the 2 ??
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What about the 7 cell battery packs? To much weight? and what would it do to my ESC and 5800 motor?? Overheat?
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Joel Lagace - Yer my club(foam/ozite) isn't that nuts in stock. Most of the top stock guys are running 3300's in the 1.17v range but it usually comes down to who makes less mistakes. In 19t and mod(where the best drivers are) it's mostly 1.17v-1.18v gp's in the field.
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I don't want to cut open a pack to see. But is there someone out there who uses " bashing packs" like me and has spent the money to get a high dollar 3300 racing pack. What kind of top speed and acceleration difference did you see between the 2 ??
Dont cut em open if you cant tell from the outside there likely some low end generic cell.


I raced high end 3000s and high end 3300s. Is there a difference? Yes the 3300s have higher average voltage and run time. So on the track you will get more punch and speed for longer runs
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Does 5+ mph and 25% acceleration seem out of the picture? Like I said, the difference is flipping over from a wheelie to not even being able to wheelie
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i m not sure of that. I do know that its noticiable while driving the car. Where talking lap times not drag racing right?
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