tekin rs-pro cogging. Is it broken????
#16
Tech Addict
Assuming you have it running in sensored mode, it does sound like either a sensor, sensor cable, or winding problem on the motor. It could also be a weak batery or bad connection from the battery to the ESC. Starting requires very high current and can cause all kinds of issues if you don't hold a solid voltage as it tries to start. Double check all your connectors, and try a battery you know can push a high current motor without voltage sag. Do you have a good volt/ohm meter? Accurately measuring the windings of a high current brushless motor is a pain, but it can be done. Depending on the failure, you don't need accuracy though. There was a guy at our local track that had an issue very similar to yours. It turned out he had tried to open his 17.5 motor and broke one of the winding wires off of the board that brought the stator leads out to the tabs. Since spec motors are all "Y" wound, the one tab did measure open, the other two were a very low resistance to each other, so it was very obvious. We opened the can and were able to resolder it. If it is a delta wind motor, and only one of the leads snapped, all 3 combinations would read well under 1 ohm, so it is tough to know if one of them broke/failed without a low ohm test, but certainly check them with a normal meter and see what you get. A-B, B-C, and C-A should all measure about the same as touching the leads together. If it has a replaceable sensor lead, certainly try another one. You can also measure the voltage at the ESC end of the A-B-C sensors, and just push the motor slowly. They should all switch cleanly between under a volt and over 3 volts. Each one will show high for one half the revolution, and low for the other half. The switch points are all shifted by 120 degrees from each other, but as long as you see all three switching, odds are the switch points are right. More likely is you have the A-B-C current leads switched around, but that should kill reverse also, unless the ESC uses sensors only for forward, and goes sensorless in reverse, that is a posibility, so certainly check the lead order at both the ESC and motor. Just for fun, put it in sensorless mode, and take off the sensor cable, and see how that runs. Sensorless will NOT run well when stalled, especially a low KV spec motor. But once rolling it should take off and run fine. My Mamba Max is a great sensorless ESC, and it bucks bad when fully stalled, it is the nature of the beast. Once it is rolling, even slowly, it pulls hard without any hesitation of popping noises like your banging pinion gear. Let us know what you find and we can try and work you through this situation.
#17
What software are you using? Did you just update to 203? Your truck is cogging which means you've got a sensor issue somewhere. Use the sensor checker feature on the RS to help diagnos it:
While the car is on, no throttle applied, rotate the drivetrain by hand. Watch the last 3 led's. They will cycle on/off dimly telling you the sensors are working. If one or more of the 3 do not switch on/off you've got an issue.
Have you tried another motor?
While the car is on, no throttle applied, rotate the drivetrain by hand. Watch the last 3 led's. They will cycle on/off dimly telling you the sensors are working. If one or more of the 3 do not switch on/off you've got an issue.
Have you tried another motor?
but seems like I have less colums... Anyways how do I get the verison 203... I run a software update and 198 is the best it can find...
on the capacitor side I see 3 leds cycling and while turned on I see a bright led staying on (NW) for 5 seconds then jumping to (DB) for .5 sec then going back to (NW) for 5 sec... Hope this is normal
Last edited by pirape; 02-16-2010 at 05:21 AM.
#18
#19
I forgot to mention that rev power is huges!! it used to be at 50 and 50 was just enough to make it go backwards now at 20.. and man I could go through a wall with that speed and power ( rev)
#21
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I'm having the same problem. Changed motor, sensor lead, receiver, and battery, also changed timing settings and nothing helps. It will run fine for a short time and then start acting up, most of the time after hard breaking or landing after a jump. When it happens all the timing advance is lost.
Last edited by Tim Garland; 01-26-2011 at 07:51 PM.
#22
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I am also having the same problem. Mine was cogging, thought it might be the motor and changed it, then the speedo totally reset it's self when I tried to turn it on. Took about three people about three times each to get the esc to reset (when you set the neurtral, fwd, and brake) It also seems the esc lost all it's programming. Went from a 17.5 to a 13.5 and it lost power, it would barely pizza the wheels, the 17.5 would nearly sling them off. And it still cogs after replacing the sensor wire Another racer mentioned his did the same thing and he replaced the power cap that solders on the batt terminals and it solved the problem. I have to order one, so I have yet to see if that fixes it.
#24
This happened to me with too much timing and an ESC that was ready to go.
#25
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On mine the gear mesh is perfect, checked and rechecked all wiring for shorts, have had a bad transponder which would kill all power to the receiver not just the controller. Novak 17.5 set at - mark, 10.5 ss, and Losi 17.5 no endbell timing on a SC10 with 81/23 gearing, same problem. Disconnected the transponder and servo. My question is has anyone had to send one back for this problem and confirmed they had a bad controller. I need one for the JC race in 2 weeks and not sure if I should order another for a back up or go with another brand. I'm sure that Tekin warranty service is great I just don't like using those services. I only have 4 race days on mine so far and the motor has never got over 135.
#26
-replace sensor cable, allways keep a spare if you race
-check sensor cable pins
-remove sensor board from motor, check sensors, clean motor
-reset timing to something conservative on motor. 5-10?
-is that a Tekin or Trinity motor?
-resolder motor wires
-try another Tekin or Trinity motor
- make sure your ESC is programmed right
-check sensor cable pins
-remove sensor board from motor, check sensors, clean motor
-reset timing to something conservative on motor. 5-10?
-is that a Tekin or Trinity motor?
-resolder motor wires
-try another Tekin or Trinity motor
- make sure your ESC is programmed right
#27
deja-vu?