SC racing or hacking
12-10-2009, 05:00 PM
#31
I know what you guys are talking about... Hacking is hacking no matter how you look at it. Im not the fastest person on the track... just sometimes if I get into the grove. I came into offroad only about 6 months ago from racing onroad TC..(got tierd of buying tires every race just to stay fast) racing onroad there isnt a whole lot of hacking if you wanna be fast.
The thing is I try & remember is its sopose to be fun... I know its racing & If I ever do become lap traffic ( its only happened 3 times since Ive been racing dirt, I was broke & racing for points) I swing wide & let the fast guys go at it.
When Im racing Im looking for everybodys A game... I Want You to be faster than me so it pushes me to be that much better, I'll even give you my setup if you think that will help you. I race as clean as I can... but a bad bounce can sometimes make that hard to do & if I think my contact caused you to spin out...I let you go to pass you later in another turn... when you got 9 other people out there going for the same line Sh*t is going to happen...lol
I just love it when Me & someone else is going at in the turns swapping places... to me watching the trucks racing side by side fighting for position is a beautiful things in my eyes.
Thats why I believe that there should ALWAYS be 3 qaulifiers & a resort after the 2nd one, so the slower people or the hacks will be in the B-main...until they can get a clue on how to drive to be fast.
The thing is I try & remember is its sopose to be fun... I know its racing & If I ever do become lap traffic ( its only happened 3 times since Ive been racing dirt, I was broke & racing for points) I swing wide & let the fast guys go at it.
When Im racing Im looking for everybodys A game... I Want You to be faster than me so it pushes me to be that much better, I'll even give you my setup if you think that will help you. I race as clean as I can... but a bad bounce can sometimes make that hard to do & if I think my contact caused you to spin out...I let you go to pass you later in another turn... when you got 9 other people out there going for the same line Sh*t is going to happen...lol
I just love it when Me & someone else is going at in the turns swapping places... to me watching the trucks racing side by side fighting for position is a beautiful things in my eyes.
Thats why I believe that there should ALWAYS be 3 qaulifiers & a resort after the 2nd one, so the slower people or the hacks will be in the B-main...until they can get a clue on how to drive to be fast.
12-10-2009, 05:52 PM
#32
we have a decent group of racers where i run. Then we have some younger kids (what is great for the hobby) who are trying to learn our speed and sometimes drive over their head and will take out out by mistake.
every track has the drivers that even tho they are getting lapped they will not get out the way then you have to take the bump and go into your hands. For the most part our races are clean (in electric classes). This is why i have stoped running nitro.
every track has the drivers that even tho they are getting lapped they will not get out the way then you have to take the bump and go into your hands. For the most part our races are clean (in electric classes). This is why i have stoped running nitro.
12-10-2009, 06:04 PM
#34
we have a decent group of racers where i run. Then we have some younger kids (what is great for the hobby) who are trying to learn our speed and sometimes drive over their head and will take out out by mistake.
every track has the drivers that even tho they are getting lapped they will not get out the way then you have to take the bump and go into your hands. For the most part our races are clean (in electric classes). This is why i have stoped running nitro.
every track has the drivers that even tho they are getting lapped they will not get out the way then you have to take the bump and go into your hands. For the most part our races are clean (in electric classes). This is why i have stoped running nitro.
the good thing about nitro though if they wreck u in the corner evently they, will wreck. and u will go right past them, and u can catch up easier if your running nitro. electric if u ask me i used to race nothing but electric.
12-11-2009, 05:53 AM
#35
The way the SC trucks drive, I am not surprised that there is quite a bit of rubbing going on. Good amount of power on a rear wheel drive vehicle with not ideal traction, yup, can definitely seem some collisions going on! 
4wd other classes (like 1/8 ) isn't much better, now you have a vehicle that can put more power down to the ground , more impact force.
And don't forget those who feel they must squeeze the throttle trigger into the back of there hand ... "Brakes!? What Brakes!? thats what your car is for!"
4wd other classes (like 1/8 ) isn't much better, now you have a vehicle that can put more power down to the ground , more impact force.
And don't forget those who feel they must squeeze the throttle trigger into the back of there hand ... "Brakes!? What Brakes!? thats what your car is for!"
12-11-2009, 07:39 AM
#36
Tech Regular
Hacking and a general disregard for the property of others is the reason I don't own a little buggy.
I've wanted a buggy since I got back into RC. I had the gold tub RC10 and a Kyosho Raider back in the day (neither of which I drove very much).
I'd really like to get an RB5 or B4, as I really like the way they look, drive, and already have electronics and a brushless system for it.
Problem is, every time I get to the track and get close to getting one, I see them get smashed, jumped on, and often broken by callous and rude drivers that PURPOSELY target the weak little buggies.
There were a few guys that were hacking on my wife's 1/8 scale buggy (damn tank) with their very ugly and ill-taken-care-of Slashes due to her driving so slow about a month ago. I'm not too much faster, but I dropped my 1/8 buggy on the track and basically went after their Slashes (I love my Slash by the way) bashing them every which way at high speed, blatantly cutting the track. Given their behavior toward others, I doubted anyone else there or the people running the track would've cared if they complained.
I was knocking them onto their lid and going for the next one. Twice in 10 minutes, I was able to get all 3 of them upside down, if only for a few seconds. If my car flipped, my wife handed me her transmitter and went to marshal my car. They pulled off the track wordlessly; when they did get back on the track, they were chill for the rest of the day.
I asked the guy in the hobby shop if they made a big bumper for my 1/8 buggy, or if I could somehow get a large RPM bumper for the Slash screwed into the front of my car. He told me he'd laugh at me if I did. At the time, I was pissed enough I wouldn't care. I liked the idea of having the option of a large bumper for "vigilante" hacking.
For the record, that was NOT a normal day at the track for me. If guys want to hack on each other, great. Just keep the rest of us out of it. A little rubbin while racing SC if fine as well. But straight out hacking on other cars in practice or attempting to LAND on little 1/10 2wd buggies is a form of bullying.
2 choices are to either ask them nicely to stop or make them stop. Asking them nicely usually results in more of the offensive behavior.
I've wanted a buggy since I got back into RC. I had the gold tub RC10 and a Kyosho Raider back in the day (neither of which I drove very much).
I'd really like to get an RB5 or B4, as I really like the way they look, drive, and already have electronics and a brushless system for it.
Problem is, every time I get to the track and get close to getting one, I see them get smashed, jumped on, and often broken by callous and rude drivers that PURPOSELY target the weak little buggies.
There were a few guys that were hacking on my wife's 1/8 scale buggy (damn tank) with their very ugly and ill-taken-care-of Slashes due to her driving so slow about a month ago. I'm not too much faster, but I dropped my 1/8 buggy on the track and basically went after their Slashes (I love my Slash by the way) bashing them every which way at high speed, blatantly cutting the track. Given their behavior toward others, I doubted anyone else there or the people running the track would've cared if they complained.
I was knocking them onto their lid and going for the next one. Twice in 10 minutes, I was able to get all 3 of them upside down, if only for a few seconds. If my car flipped, my wife handed me her transmitter and went to marshal my car. They pulled off the track wordlessly; when they did get back on the track, they were chill for the rest of the day.
I asked the guy in the hobby shop if they made a big bumper for my 1/8 buggy, or if I could somehow get a large RPM bumper for the Slash screwed into the front of my car. He told me he'd laugh at me if I did. At the time, I was pissed enough I wouldn't care. I liked the idea of having the option of a large bumper for "vigilante" hacking.
For the record, that was NOT a normal day at the track for me. If guys want to hack on each other, great. Just keep the rest of us out of it. A little rubbin while racing SC if fine as well. But straight out hacking on other cars in practice or attempting to LAND on little 1/10 2wd buggies is a form of bullying.
2 choices are to either ask them nicely to stop or make them stop. Asking them nicely usually results in more of the offensive behavior.
Last edited by lusifur; 12-11-2009 at 11:27 AM.
12-11-2009, 09:47 AM
#37
To easily spot a Hacker is just watch practice, you will notice the guy that always thinks he's racing no matter what. They just don't understand really what to do, just push cars/trucks/sc whatever out of the way sometimes even driving over them. The best is when a car is tangled and instead of going over and pulling them apart they feel they have to drag the other car down the track until something gives and brakes. I have watched a guy drive a truggy trough a pack of 1/18 scale cars and just laugh about it on the driver stand while the kids that own them were upset that their cars broke. The guy told them that they shouldn't be on the track in the first place.
12-11-2009, 10:57 AM
#38
our local slash spec class is full of hacks. but the sc class probally has the best talent, and closest racing. another thing is you can race alot closer in sc that stadium because of the closed wheels. kind of like nascar compared to f-1. just my thoughts.
12-11-2009, 11:14 AM
#39
Tech Regular
Is it completely right? No.
But I'd back the kid up if I watched the first incident occur.
A**holes get away with being a**holes because we as a group/society/community let them. It only takes one or two people to back up a victim to "gently" remind the a**hole what it feels like to be on the receiving end. In my experience, it's the only way they learn to understand what it is they do to others. If being nice attracted them to their victims in the first place, asking them nicely to stop will only spur them on.
Sometimes karma needs a little bit of help. Make sure you are reading the situation correctly before acting, but once you're sure, help karma out a bit.
(Why do grown men 30-50 years old feel like it's okay to bully little kids (includes 13-16 year olds) in the realm of driving toy cars? Because anywhere else, enough women would be present and bitching at them for doing so.)
And yes, I am a parent. And I love SC trucks.
12-11-2009, 11:15 AM
#40
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I race stock stadium truck and mod short course.
The difference in courtesy between the two classes is huge.
In stadium truck people are generally clean or generally try to be clean.
In short course last week I was running 2nd in qualifying and this jackass hacked me twice as I was trying to navigate clean passes and cost me at least a lap, which put me into 3rd. In the main it was more of the same. People kept running into me, and I kept getting the sh1t end of it on my lid....I was driving well, and I was driving clean, and I lost every collision and ended up finishing 6th.
At one point I did announce to the other drivers that "this is short course, not demolition derby guys."
In closing, I hate morons.
The difference in courtesy between the two classes is huge.
In stadium truck people are generally clean or generally try to be clean.
In short course last week I was running 2nd in qualifying and this jackass hacked me twice as I was trying to navigate clean passes and cost me at least a lap, which put me into 3rd. In the main it was more of the same. People kept running into me, and I kept getting the sh1t end of it on my lid....I was driving well, and I was driving clean, and I lost every collision and ended up finishing 6th.
At one point I did announce to the other drivers that "this is short course, not demolition derby guys."
In closing, I hate morons.
12-11-2009, 11:29 AM
#41
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I dislike that fact too that its considered and treated as a hack class. I had a slash when they first came out and ran spec class. The hacking was horrible. And as mentioned earlier in the thread, people would wait and bash someone for revenge.
My local track frowns upon this and will call and remove people that are doing this.
I think part of the issue if you will is that with fenders, you can rub and bump which you can't do with an open wheeler. So some people think its okay to push their way to the front.
The other part is that the CORR trucks were meant to bring new people into the hobby which it has. They aren't as skilled at driving and tend to "bash"/hack alot more....
I'm giving it a second shot with my Blitz...I'm hoping its better a year later....
My local track frowns upon this and will call and remove people that are doing this.
I think part of the issue if you will is that with fenders, you can rub and bump which you can't do with an open wheeler. So some people think its okay to push their way to the front.
The other part is that the CORR trucks were meant to bring new people into the hobby which it has. They aren't as skilled at driving and tend to "bash"/hack alot more....
I'm giving it a second shot with my Blitz...I'm hoping its better a year later....
12-11-2009, 12:52 PM
#43
I have the same thing happen during practice sometimes. There are a few guys on the track that believes that being a "good" driver means lap time. There's much more dynamic to that, it's also being able to pass slower cars and knowing WHEN to pass slower cars...
Those few that I mentioned believe that since they can hit all the lines correctly, that they should be the ONLY ones on the track.
Low lap times (when you're the only one) is just one factor when you're racing WITH other drivers...
Those few that I mentioned believe that since they can hit all the lines correctly, that they should be the ONLY ones on the track.
Low lap times (when you're the only one) is just one factor when you're racing WITH other drivers...
12-11-2009, 01:21 PM
#44
Next time the kid is volunteer marshaling during a practice, he might "accidentally" step on the guy's truggy and break the body + parts like the speed control. If the guy complains, he might hear "if you can't control your car well enough to not get in a marshal's way, then you shouldn't be on the track in the first place".
Is it completely right? No.
But I'd back the kid up if I watched the first incident occur.
A**holes get away with being a**holes because we as a group/society/community let them. It only takes one or two people to back up a victim to "gently" remind the a**hole what it feels like to be on the receiving end. In my experience, it's the only way they learn to understand what it is they do to others. If being nice attracted them to their victims in the first place, asking them nicely to stop will only spur them on.
Sometimes karma needs a little bit of help. Make sure you are reading the situation correctly before acting, but once you're sure, help karma out a bit.
(Why do grown men 30-50 years old feel like it's okay to bully little kids (includes 13-16 year olds) in the realm of driving toy cars? Because anywhere else, enough women would be present and bitching at them for doing so.)
And yes, I am a parent. And I love SC trucks.
Is it completely right? No.
But I'd back the kid up if I watched the first incident occur.
A**holes get away with being a**holes because we as a group/society/community let them. It only takes one or two people to back up a victim to "gently" remind the a**hole what it feels like to be on the receiving end. In my experience, it's the only way they learn to understand what it is they do to others. If being nice attracted them to their victims in the first place, asking them nicely to stop will only spur them on.
Sometimes karma needs a little bit of help. Make sure you are reading the situation correctly before acting, but once you're sure, help karma out a bit.
(Why do grown men 30-50 years old feel like it's okay to bully little kids (includes 13-16 year olds) in the realm of driving toy cars? Because anywhere else, enough women would be present and bitching at them for doing so.)
And yes, I am a parent. And I love SC trucks.
12-11-2009, 01:49 PM
#45
You're all mistaking a general lack of skill for hacking. Hacking is careless or intentionally rough driving. When SC's came out lots of guys came out with them but most of the established, skilled racers continue to run 2wd mod, stadium truck and 4wd mod. If you expect clean racing in what is meant to be a fun, easygoing class that brings in new racers, then you've chosen the wrong class.
SC is also more fun for newer racers because they can bump without getting tangled as easily because the wheels are under the body.
SC is also more fun for newer racers because they can bump without getting tangled as easily because the wheels are under the body.