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Old 03-25-2009, 05:29 PM   #1
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Hey guys, im in a stump. Im looking to buy a new brushless system for my Rustler. Note its a very, very nice rustler, only 2 parts are still stock on it. I run 8 cell matched Promatch EnerG packs. For the longest time I have ran Sidewinder 4600 systems in all my trucks, and have been very happy with how they perform, EXPECIALLY for the price. However my friend got a 5700 system, and its much crazier than what mine are. Lol. So I was looking into going Mamba Max, something like a 6900 system, because I have heard that the 7700 is hard to keep temps down in a Rustler.. But what do you guys think would be right for me, Mamba Maxes are pretty expensive over the Castle system, how much performance would I be gaining? Funny and odd thing is, ive seen every something from every brushless manufacuturer EXCEPT seeing the Mamba max run. I dont really want to wait for the new Mamba Max Pro, because every since the MMM ive been weary of buying extremely new things....

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The Mamba Max is Castle Creations...

It's the daddy of the Sidewinder...

According to the Castle Creations website, the Sidewinder can run the 5700 on 8 cells.
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Oh yeah, I know all the specs and that the Mamba Max is supposed to be better, but I have never seen one run. Between a Sidewinder 5700 and a Mamba Max 5700, would you REALLY see a speed difference between the 2 on quality 8 cells [EnerG]??

And has anyone ever tried a Sidewinder 6900? I have ran a Sidewinder on 4S lipo before with the 4600 and a CCBEC, and the motor gave out before the ESC did, and the ESC is working great to this day. I was wondering with the CCBEC if i could get away with running the 6900 motor??
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The Mamba Max is Castle Creations...

It's the daddy of the Sidewinder...

According to the Castle Creations website, the Sidewinder can run the 5700 on 8 cells.
Not True, it can run up to 12S NiMH and 3S LiPo / LiFe

Their system is pretty reliable, mind you that you have the correct spur and pinion gears to ensure propper motor temp.

Note, that the any motor higher than 5700kv can't use more than 3S

CC has a chart concerning their motors and what gearing should be chosen for them. I can tell you that the Rustler's transmission gearing is way to small and makes a 4600 faster than a 5700 on another vehicle.
Only the Mamba Max for 1/8 buggies can use 4S
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The Sidewinder is not rated to run the 6900...

It doesn't have the current capabilities of the Mamba Max.

If you do get the Mamba Max, you can run 3S LiPo on the 5700.

As for the performance between a Sidewinder 5700, and a Max 5700, you probably won't notice a BIG difference, but you'll probably be able to gear a little taller on the Max...

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Specs on the Sidewinder say:

5700:
Up to 2s LiPo
8 cell NiMH
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The Sidewinder is not rated to run the 6900...

It doesn't have the current capabilities of the Mamba Max.

If you do get the Mamba Max, you can run 3S LiPo on the 5700.

As for the performance between a Sidewinder 5700, and a Max 5700, you probably won't notice a BIG difference, but you'll probably be able to gear a little taller on the Max...
My sidewinder 5700 can run a 3S Lipo and it;'s been running for a year.


http://www.castlecreations.com/suppo...ring_chart.pdf
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Thats what im saying, I KNOW the specs for these things, by heart. What im saying, lots of people run higher than what they are supposed to. I ran 4S on my sidewinder, and I guess darrell runs 3S on his 5700 Sidewinder. If that is possible, then why cant i run 8 cells on 6900 is what im saying. Imma call Castle tomorrow and see what they have to imput, or if they have tried it.

And how would the ESC allow you to gear your motor higher? Its still the same motor between the 2 systems, so I mean if a motor is running at its best geared 24/86, then I wouldnt think it would run any better in a mamba max being overgeared..??
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The website says it's 2S

I can run my Mamba Max on 4S
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Not True, it can run up to 12S NiMH and 3S LiPo / LiFe
As long as we're getting picky - for the Sidewinder/5700, its 8cells NiMH or
2S lipo and its the Sidewinder/4600 combo thats 12cell NiMH or up to 3S lipo.

http://www.castlecreations.com/products/sidewinder.html
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Thats what im saying, I KNOW the specs for these things, by heart. What im saying, lots of people run higher than what they are supposed to. I ran 4S on my sidewinder, and I guess darrell runs 3S on his 5700 Sidewinder. If that is possible, then why cant i run 8 cells on 6900 is what im saying. Imma call Castle tomorrow and see what they have to imput, or if they have tried it.

And how would the ESC allow you to gear your motor higher? Its still the same motor between the 2 systems, so I mean if a motor is running at its best geared 24/86, then I wouldnt think it would run any better in a mamba max being overgeared..??
6900 is a higher output motor

I can tell you that any 5700KV motor can take 3S Lipos
I haven't had any problems running my sidewinder 5700 on
3S with the "proper gearing"

My motor never gets hotter than 120F and ESC 127F
and I run in a hot climate for over 30minutes on 1 battery

I know my motors, the motor it self dictates what batteries it can use
the 5700 has on it's label 12NiMH to 3S Lipo lol
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Thats what im saying, I KNOW the specs for these things, by heart. What im saying, lots of people run higher than what they are supposed to. I ran 4S on my sidewinder, and I guess darrell runs 3S on his 5700 Sidewinder. If that is possible, then why cant i run 8 cells on 6900 is what im saying. Imma call Castle tomorrow and see what they have to imput, or if they have tried it.

And how would the ESC allow you to gear your motor higher? Its still the same motor between the 2 systems, so I mean if a motor is running at its best geared 24/86, then I wouldnt think it would run any better in a mamba max being overgeared..??
The Mamba Max has higher current capability, meaning it doesn't have to work as hard to give the motor the power it needs...
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You guys are just NOT listening to what im trying to get across. I KNOW THAT THE SIDEWINDER HAS RATINGS. I KNOW THAT MOTORS HAVE RATINGS.

The sidewinder has broke those ratings before. You can easily run an 8 cell pack on a 6900. SO,

Sidewinder+6900kv+8 cell NiMh = SHOULD be ok??

How much different would it be to run a battery that is higher voltage than what the ESC is rated for than running a motor that has a higher Kv than what its rated for?
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Just note that it is safe to use 3S on 5700 Sidewinder
A motor is a motor last time I checked Mine hasn't burned
up and I've been running it for over a year now. Motor temp is
never hot for me like stated in previous post

No I would stick to a 4600kv for your Rustler due to it's gearing.
Even that will have to much speed for your traction. depending on tires you can have grip,
but whats the point if you burn the tires flat fast lol
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I use road rage tires. Best tires out there. I dont have traction problems =]

Im thinking about just getting the 5700 as then i would still be able to keep my warrenty and peace of mind by staying within the ratings. I think that the 5700 is all a rustler needs anyway.

And i agree with you, Ive never had temp problems with any of my Castle products.

I think I may as well get another Sidewinder ESC too, as they are such a good price, and i doubt id notice a difference between that and the MM for MY application, you know?
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I use road rage tires. Best tires out there. I dont have traction problems =]

Im thinking about just getting the 5700 as then i would still be able to keep my warrenty and peace of mind by staying within the ratings. I think that the 5700 is all a rustler needs anyway.

And i agree with you, Ive never had temp problems with any of my Castle products.

I think I may as well get another Sidewinder ESC too, as they are such a good price, and i doubt id notice a difference between that and the MM for MY application, you know?
No, for Rustler only use a 4600kv, the gearing in the transmission makes the 4600kv= the speed of my XXX's with 5700's and I had to change the throttle curve to make the thing drivable on any track, and not eat tires in 25 minutes of running on the track from constant spinning of the tires.
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