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Old 02-25-2009, 04:07 PM   #226
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there are two types of people who make their cars waaaay faster than they should be for racing.
one is the basher that is first trying their hand at racing and soon realizes that in order to actually get around the track they need to slow down their cars a lot.
the other one is the problem, you know the guys that have been racing for a while and run 1/10 mod truck or buggy or even more scary still 4w buggy and they cant put togther back to back laps without wrecking 5 times. then they come off the drivers stand and say they need more motor . those guys will always have way more power than their skills will ever be able to control.
instead of limiting the power output all a race director needs to do is say you must be able to maintain a reasonable ammount of control or you cannot race or even practice. i have no problem with new guys learning and wrecking as long as they keep the speed down and arent punching it all the time.
If you ever want to have a quiet word with that problem guy you will find type 2 down at the local sporting field or carpark speed testing their 5th scale 15kg baja with no failsafes or pico switches whilst kids run around kicking balls and thowing frisbees. If you ever see that happening, please do us all a favour and call the cops!
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Old 02-25-2009, 07:29 PM   #227
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LOL that's some good stuff!


"Rule 101.25 Battery may not exceed 4 cell lipo or 16.8v"

I think my little video shoots down any rules based on voltage... 4s and tire shredding 65.1mph
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Old 02-25-2009, 08:05 PM   #228
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there are two types of people who make their cars waaaay faster than they should be for racing.
one is the basher that is first trying their hand at racing and soon realizes that in order to actually get around the track they need to slow down their cars a lot.
the other one is the problem, you know the guys that have been racing for a while and run 1/10 mod truck or buggy or even more scary still 4w buggy and they cant put togther back to back laps without wrecking 5 times. then they come off the drivers stand and say they need more motor . those guys will always have way more power than their skills will ever be able to control.
instead of limiting the power output all a race director needs to do is say you must be able to maintain a reasonable ammount of control or you cannot race or even practice. i have no problem with new guys learning and wrecking as long as they keep the speed down and arent punching it all the time.
I think this is the best post so far, It should be everyone's, not just the race director, responsibility to keep the newbs settled. I've had Nitro truggies buzz my face at about 6'high off a pipe border at our track, The track owner and the rest of us racers talked to him and helped him learn the best way to run on the track. the result, one of the best drivers in the area and the most courteous and smart as well. What i'm saying, is that everyone, not just the race director or track owner, has a stake in teaching the younger/newer drivers to properly control their cars
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I'm still confused as to why there would be a problem w/ limiting the motor.
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:04 AM   #230
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I'm still confused as to why there would be a problem w/ limiting the motor.
because if you limit the motor then guys will start to oveargear to compensate. then you need to start a rule on gearing, then guys will feel the need to buy the best and freshest batteries to compete. in the end we will end up with a money pit class.
the simple way to fix the saftey issue is to watch the guys as they race / practice. if they cant maintain a reasonable ammount of control then the track owner needs to take the person aside and talk with them.
if they are needing marshalling because they are making mistakes at 10mph no biggie, if they are trying to get burly everytime they put the car in the air then they need to calm it down or go home. wreckless driving at high speeds is no different than hacking someone to get the lead.
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Haed high jumps are greater problem than car speeds. 60MPH in the ankle is going to break it. 15MPH in the head can kill you.
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Haed high jumps are greater problem than car speeds. 60MPH in the ankle is going to break it. 15MPH in the head can kill you.
Ditto. I have an idea. How about you make a spec class, and an open class. One for the sub 8 lb cars that ROAR "thinks" will happen, and one for everyone else. Let's see how far the "Spec" class goes, and how many of the rest of us there are.
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because if you limit the motor then guys will start to oveargear to compensate. then you need to start a rule on gearing, then guys will feel the need to buy the best and freshest batteries to compete. in the end we will end up with a money pit class.
the simple way to fix the saftey issue is to watch the guys as they race / practice. if they cant maintain a reasonable ammount of control then the track owner needs to take the person aside and talk with them.
if they are needing marshalling because they are making mistakes at 10mph no biggie, if they are trying to get burly everytime they put the car in the air then they need to calm it down or go home. wreckless driving at high speeds is no different than hacking someone to get the lead.
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I don't think people understand untill they have a few pinion gears and test gearing for themselves. These motors have an abundance of torque, more than you can understand without owning one. Even after owning one you can surprise yourself by gearing up and watching it pull just as hard to ridiculous top speed on crazy high gearing. The limiting factor being batteries so as you gear up you're going to place higher demands on the batteries so that's the eventual weak link and they will puff or become dangerous if pushed too hard for too long.
Sure you can limit motor rpm and gearing and top speed and battery capacity and 'c' rate but we actually want to race on the same day as registration. Scrutineeering and registrations would be a minefield of problems. Noobs would freak when they find out they bought a motor that was 50kv too much even though they'd be the slowest on the track for other reasons.

The "money pit" arguement is well justified.
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I don't think people understand untill they have a few pinion gears and test gearing for themselves. These motors have an abundance of torque, more than you can understand without owning one. Even after owning one you can surprise yourself by gearing up and watching it pull just as hard to ridiculous top speed on crazy high gearing. The limiting factor being batteries so as you gear up you're going to place higher demands on the batteries so that's the eventual weak link and they will puff or become dangerous if pushed too hard for too long.
Sure you can limit motor rpm and gearing and top speed and battery capacity and 'c' rate but we actually want to race on the same day as registration. Scrutineeering and registrations would be a minefield of problems. Noobs would freak when they find out they bought a motor that was 50kv too much even though they'd be the slowest on the track for other reasons.

The "money pit" arguement is well justified.

AMEN! We do not want this turning into 1/10 stock class where its all about money and batteries.
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AMEN! We do not want this turning into 1/10 stock class where its all about money and batteries.
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and the last thing we need is to start splitting this class up into little pieces like the 1/10 stuff. Lets get one class going before we start splitting it into pieces.

The RC-Pro rules work for 99% of the folks now so why not just let this see where it all goes.
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