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Old 04-17-2012, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonny5
I see a large part of the issue in your ad: "all tires with aka cc foams". We run open cell foams in Cush's car most of the time, especially in the rear to get it more planted. We have fronts mounted with a few different types of foams, but when he has too much steering the first thing he does is put on a set of fronts with the old jc rock hard foams.

Shame to see ya leaving- it's a great buggy once you find the packages that work for you.
I ran JC rear hex wheels with open foams all weekend. Fronts were closed cells all weekend.

I changed shock oils 3 times all around as well as springs. The last thing I did was go up to 10k on the front diff. I still couldn't get the car to stop driving with the front end.
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
I ran JC rear hex wheels with open foams all weekend. Fronts were closed cells all weekend.

I changed shock oils 3 times all around as well as springs. The last thing I did was go up to 10k on the front diff. I still couldn't get the car to stop driving with the front end.
I'm new in general, and especially new to the 410. Can you explain what you mean by "I still couldn't get the car to stop driving with the front end." please?
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:27 AM
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Dirtydan, that is an awesome track. I would love to race 1/10 outdoors at least once in my life.
Yes, Coral Springs is an awesome track, I am very lucky to have grown up with it in my town.
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
I ran JC rear hex wheels with open foams all weekend. Fronts were closed cells all weekend.

I changed shock oils 3 times all around as well as springs. The last thing I did was go up to 10k on the front diff. I still couldn't get the car to stop driving with the front end.
The heavier the front oil the more on power steering you will have. If anything you should of dropped the front and went heavier in the rear. That's is wierd I never heard of this, always not enough rear traction. Too bad because it is an awesome car when you find your setup. I will have mine forever……
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bman's 3XNT
The heavier the front oil the more on power steering you will have. If anything you should of dropped the front and went heavier in the rear.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
I ran JC rear hex wheels with open foams all weekend. Fronts were closed cells all weekend.

I changed shock oils 3 times all around as well as springs. The last thing I did was go up to 10k on the front diff. I still couldn't get the car to stop driving with the front end.
That's strange, I'd be interested to see the rest of your setup- link positions and such. Cush runs a rear sway bar about half the time just to free it up a little bit. When I drive the car it definitely feels more planted up front than in the rear, but he likes a lot of steering and has much more skill than me. Young kids and their reflexes....
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I am using 10k mugen oil front and rear. 1 degree rear carriers and 1.2mm sway bar in the rear and the car is money.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonny5
That's strange, I'd be interested to see the rest of your setup- link positions and such. Cush runs a rear sway bar about half the time just to free it up a little bit. When I drive the car it definitely feels more planted up front than in the rear, but he likes a lot of steering and has much more skill than me. Young kids and their reflexes....
This is the fastest setup I had all weekend:

Front:
37.5 oil
Dark Blue
3rd shock inner tower, outer arm
Long link 3rd upper tower hole
no outer link spacers, plastic caster blocks
Green Double Dee's AKA foam
7k oil
arms forward
23mm ride height
2 camber, slight toe out

Rear:
32.5 oil
Light Blue
Tower middle shock, arm middle
long link 3rd upper hole
middle hole on hubs
arms all forward
hubs all back
+2 front, 4 rear
Green Hybrids open foam
0 rear hub
22mm
7k oil
2 camber
Brass skid plate
Brass side weights
Carbon flex brace

Power:
Thunder Power 7.5 20 timing (out of box)
Viper VTX10R no timing/boost
30% drag brake
Vemon 4200 30C saddle
87/21
-30% steering expo
-20% throttle epa

This setup I turned a 21.3 fast lap, 16 lap pace. A Main drivers were high 19's 18 laps. The car still had too much steering at this point, but the rear-end was more planted Saturday than Sunday. I tried to get the car to push on-power but it just wouldn't. The more I turned the more the car rotated.
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Originally Posted by dirtydan
I am using 10k mugen oil front and rear. 1 degree rear carriers and 1.2mm sway bar in the rear and the car is money.
Not in that video you posted!! J/k
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
This is the fastest setup I had all weekend:

Front:
37.5 oil
Dark Blue
3rd shock inner tower, outer arm
Long link 3rd upper tower hole
no outer link spacers, plastic caster blocks
Green Double Dee's AKA foam
7k oil
arms forward
23mm ride height
2 camber, slight toe out

Rear:
32.5 oil
Light Blue
Tower middle shock, arm middle
long link 3rd upper hole
middle hole on hubs
arms all forward
hubs all back
+2 front, 4 rear
Green Hybrids open foam
0 rear hub
22mm
7k oil
2 camber
Brass skid plate
Brass side weights
Carbon flex brace

Power:
Thunder Power 7.5 20 timing (out of box)
Viper VTX10R no timing/boost
30% drag brake
Vemon 4200 30C saddle
87/21
-30% steering expo
-20% throttle epa

This setup I turned a 21.3 fast lap, 16 lap pace. A Main drivers were high 19's 18 laps. The car still had too much steering at this point, but the rear-end was more planted Saturday than Sunday. I tried to get the car to push on-power but it just wouldn't. The more I turned the more the car rotated.

So it sounds like you had to much forward and not enough side bite? A few things stand out, to high ride ht. and crazy on power front camber link. Highest on the tower and no 2mm spacer on the hub? Crazy on power steering!
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Originally Posted by Bman's 3XNT
So it sounds like you had to much forward and not enough side bite? A few things stand out, to high ride ht. and crazy on power front camber link. Highest on the tower and no 2mm spacer on the hub? Crazy on power steering!
Beat me to it. Cush has a short front link for a quick initial twitch into the corner then drives it with the throttle through. Also has been using 1deg hubs so it stays planted out as he's on power. And I definitely agree about the shock oil. We're always even or lighter up front now. Ride height usually around 19-21, but never that high
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:35 PM
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I had a lot of issues with my V3 to begin with as it reacted way to quick to steering inputs unlike the way I had my 410 full fat car. So I use the outer hole in the rear hubs for a longer link and use the lower camber link mount holes front and rear. Also making sure that the steering was correct both sides and that when using Losi or AE wheels at the front to make sure that they did not bind on the ball cups. I also like using the high roll centre at the rear with 1.8 degree antisquat. I use the dark red springs in the front and the rare black springs on the rear. Ride height 19mm and 12k front 7k rear. In the UK we use mini spike tyres outdoors and I always find it is better to cut the inner and outer rows off to make the car nice and safe. The gearing sounds different to what I would run as I would normally use 87 22-23 with a SP V3 6.5 depending on the track and for a 7.5 would expect to run 24 or 25.
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Originally Posted by gene1219
my 'rango
so what body is the ? the jconcepts finisher body ? can i have a part number please for this as i know it has better down force then the stock bodies
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That is the Proline Bulldog.

The J Concepts Finnisher is released and being shipped out to distributors now. Retailers should have them for sale soon.
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