22LikesTeam Durango DEX410 4WD 1/10 Off-Road Buggy Thread
01-08-2014, 07:47 AM
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I bought a set of lunsford hingepins for the 410. At about $20 for the set, they are a waste of money. They are slightly more durable than the stock pins, but they still bend. The only hingepins that won't bend are high carbon drill blanks, which you can get from mcmaster, etc. The drill blanks cost about the same as the stock pins. The problem with the aluminum lower blocks is that you will wear the block itself.
I understand that this is a dex410 forum and guys will defend their "rides." Until you have tried the xray (as far as durability and wear is concerned,) you have no idea how durable a 1/10 4wd buggy can be. 4wd buggy almost died because of their durability issues (b44- arms, shock towers, etc, xxx4- most of the car, etc.) There are now better choices for durability and running cost, which is why it is starting to come back a little.
Everyone has an opinion, but facts are facts. The dex410 is a great driver's car, but durability and specifically wear, is not its strong point. Listen to almost any dex410 on the track. Mine is relatively quiet (for a dex410), but still has a lot of metallic noise while running. My xb4 is silent by comparison. If durango redesigns several parts in the dex410 (center motor mount and slipper block, inputs to the diff housings, and hinge pin holders, plus adds 3mm drive pins,) they will add durability and wear resistance to the car. The things mentioned above are exactly what makes the xb4 durable and resistant to wear.
I understand that this is a dex410 forum and guys will defend their "rides." Until you have tried the xray (as far as durability and wear is concerned,) you have no idea how durable a 1/10 4wd buggy can be. 4wd buggy almost died because of their durability issues (b44- arms, shock towers, etc, xxx4- most of the car, etc.) There are now better choices for durability and running cost, which is why it is starting to come back a little.
Everyone has an opinion, but facts are facts. The dex410 is a great driver's car, but durability and specifically wear, is not its strong point. Listen to almost any dex410 on the track. Mine is relatively quiet (for a dex410), but still has a lot of metallic noise while running. My xb4 is silent by comparison. If durango redesigns several parts in the dex410 (center motor mount and slipper block, inputs to the diff housings, and hinge pin holders, plus adds 3mm drive pins,) they will add durability and wear resistance to the car. The things mentioned above are exactly what makes the xb4 durable and resistant to wear.
01-08-2014, 07:55 AM
I bought a set of lunsford hingepins for the 410. At about $20 for the set, they are a waste of money. They are slightly more durable than the stock pins, but they still bend. The only hingepins that won't bend are high carbon drill blanks, which you can get from mcmaster, etc. The drill blanks cost about the same as the stock pins. The problem with the aluminum lower blocks is that you will wear the block itself.
I understand that this is a dex410 forum and guys will defend their "rides." Until you have tried the xray (as far as durability and wear is concerned,) you have no idea how durable a 1/10 4wd buggy can be. 4wd buggy almost died because of their durability issues (b44- arms, shock towers, etc, xxx4- most of the car, etc.) There are now better choices for durability and running cost, which is why it is starting to come back a little.
BTW, I currently have 3 dex410's. The original dex410 v1, and 2 dex410v3's (I have added the v4 arms, plastic gears, and shock orings to 1 dex410v3.) I also have an xb4. While running both buggies for about the same time, (xb4 and dex410v3) I have play in the front and rear arms of the dex410 (worn lower mounts,) the slipper outdrive is worn, there is play in the slipper assembly (side to side,) and the center shaft universals are worn. On the xb4, I have replaced the 3mm drive pins 1 time (at a cost of $5 plus the mugen tool.) There is no play and no slop. (The only thing that will wear on the xb4 are the 3mm pins, which you have to swap out periodically.)
If you are going to spend $400 on a 4wd kit, my opinion is clear.
I understand that this is a dex410 forum and guys will defend their "rides." Until you have tried the xray (as far as durability and wear is concerned,) you have no idea how durable a 1/10 4wd buggy can be. 4wd buggy almost died because of their durability issues (b44- arms, shock towers, etc, xxx4- most of the car, etc.) There are now better choices for durability and running cost, which is why it is starting to come back a little.
BTW, I currently have 3 dex410's. The original dex410 v1, and 2 dex410v3's (I have added the v4 arms, plastic gears, and shock orings to 1 dex410v3.) I also have an xb4. While running both buggies for about the same time, (xb4 and dex410v3) I have play in the front and rear arms of the dex410 (worn lower mounts,) the slipper outdrive is worn, there is play in the slipper assembly (side to side,) and the center shaft universals are worn. On the xb4, I have replaced the 3mm drive pins 1 time (at a cost of $5 plus the mugen tool.) There is no play and no slop. (The only thing that will wear on the xb4 are the 3mm pins, which you have to swap out periodically.)
If you are going to spend $400 on a 4wd kit, my opinion is clear.
I dont understand what it is that makes a guy do what you're doing, other than to get a response like this.
. Why would you go into another brands thread and try and raise neck hairs? I say go back to the xb4 forum (where you never post anything) 
, and let us discuss our car..I really wish we could mature past this Ford vs Chevy thing..
Last edited by flame56mx; 01-08-2014 at 08:22 AM.
01-08-2014, 08:26 AM
Well, how is it you are the only one who know what the "facts" are, and the rest of us only have opinions..? I have never seen an XB4, probably never will, because its not a well known car. But, if its so great then why isn't it taking the class by storm, and changing the world, It's been out for over a year. We get 2 heats of 4wd mod here (biggest class) and not one xray..
I dont understand what it is that makes a guy do what you're doing, other than to get a response like this.. Why would you go into another brands thread and try and raise neck hairs? I say go back to the xb4 forum (where you never post anything) , and let us discuss our car..I really wish we could mature past this Ford vs Chevy thing..
I dont understand what it is that makes a guy do what you're doing, other than to get a response like this.
. Why would you go into another brands thread and try and raise neck hairs? I say go back to the xb4 forum (where you never post anything) , and let us discuss our car..I really wish we could mature past this Ford vs Chevy thing..+1
01-08-2014, 09:18 AM
I have both and these are my thoughts:
The xb4 is probably the most durable 4wd buggy out there. It has an excellent, very free drive train, and the parts wear very little. The car also uses 3mm drive pins that are changeable (just like an 8th scale.) I have raced one for over 8 months and have yet to break or wear out a single part, and I bought the car used from another racer. In terms of handling, the xb4 is almost too stable. It has more push than a dex410, and it changes direction slower, but it is very easy to drive and push.
The dex410 has an all weight down the center design which works well, allowing it to change direction very quickly. The knock against the 410 has always been its durability. Through its 4 versions, the dex410 has gotten more durable, but drive train wear is still high, along with other issues. Durango alloys are also nowhere near as strong as xrays', the diffs are not as smooth, and the parts develop slop and wear much faster than the xray. The dex410 also bends hing pins constantly, and if you get drill blanks, you will wear the aluminum lower blocks. The motor mount needs to a cam mount, the center slipper holders need to me more secure. Sometimes, I really wish that durango would give xray its design to build and tweak. With a few changes, and better plastic and metal quality, the dex410 could be the best 4wd buggy.
In terms of driving both, I like driving the dex410 more, but in a race, I would much rather have the xb4, because you know you will finish the race, no matter what.
The xb4 is probably the most durable 4wd buggy out there. It has an excellent, very free drive train, and the parts wear very little. The car also uses 3mm drive pins that are changeable (just like an 8th scale.) I have raced one for over 8 months and have yet to break or wear out a single part, and I bought the car used from another racer. In terms of handling, the xb4 is almost too stable. It has more push than a dex410, and it changes direction slower, but it is very easy to drive and push.
The dex410 has an all weight down the center design which works well, allowing it to change direction very quickly. The knock against the 410 has always been its durability. Through its 4 versions, the dex410 has gotten more durable, but drive train wear is still high, along with other issues. Durango alloys are also nowhere near as strong as xrays', the diffs are not as smooth, and the parts develop slop and wear much faster than the xray. The dex410 also bends hing pins constantly, and if you get drill blanks, you will wear the aluminum lower blocks. The motor mount needs to a cam mount, the center slipper holders need to me more secure. Sometimes, I really wish that durango would give xray its design to build and tweak. With a few changes, and better plastic and metal quality, the dex410 could be the best 4wd buggy.
In terms of driving both, I like driving the dex410 more, but in a race, I would much rather have the xb4, because you know you will finish the race, no matter what.
Also, the drive train on my 410 is extremely precise with absolutely no slop (this goes for the rest of the car too) and it has quite a bit of mileage on it. I just replaced the diff oils this past weekend for the first time in 7 months and was expecting it to be dried out and nasty but I was pleasantly surprised to see all the oil still in there and it was only a tad less clear than when I filled it with oil all those months and miles ago. Having said that, I run the machined METAL gears so wear is not something I will ever have to worry about, though I didn't expect for my Trannys to hold all the fluid I placed in them. THAT was impressive to me.
The XB4 is heavily based on the 410 so I don't see the logic in suggesting that Durango should ask Xray for help in any capacity as the car is fantastic as is and has just been refined a tad more in the v4.
I love the XB4, and it is a superbly thought out and finely made car, but it's not the absolute best by any stretch. That distinction is to be shared among the top 4 or 5 cars which all equally have their strong suits and innovations and most borrow something from the others which speaks to there being no one best car.
My buddy recently dropped an Avid Chassis on his 44.2 and it seems to be what the car was missing because the additional weight added that little bit of traction he's always felt was missing compared to the 410, and that increases the argument for it being one of the very best wheelers, which makes this debate an ongoing one that will likely never have a true defining best in class vehicle.
01-08-2014, 09:45 AM
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The reason for my post is that someone asked to compare the dex410 and the xb4. Since I have both, I wrote a comment. In addition, since I have both, and have run both for a while, I am in a position to comment. I am a smooth driver and am very easy on my equipment. When I get premature wear in the car, it is not because I am running a 5.5.
If I didn't like how the dex410 drives, I wouldn't have 3 of them. There is always a best car. Saying one of 4 or 5 is a copout, and something that rc car action always does (notice there is never anything bad about any car.) I have already stated that I like how the dex410 drives, but the xb4 is a better car. Since some can't stand to have their car criticized, I will stop comparing the two cars.
In terms of the xb4 design, I think it is a cross between the b44 and the dex410. The gear diffs and front bulkhead design come from the dex410, whereas the drive train layout comes from the b44. All of the adjustment inserts have been used by xray in the on-road 4wd sedan world for years.
If I didn't like how the dex410 drives, I wouldn't have 3 of them. There is always a best car. Saying one of 4 or 5 is a copout, and something that rc car action always does (notice there is never anything bad about any car.) I have already stated that I like how the dex410 drives, but the xb4 is a better car. Since some can't stand to have their car criticized, I will stop comparing the two cars.
In terms of the xb4 design, I think it is a cross between the b44 and the dex410. The gear diffs and front bulkhead design come from the dex410, whereas the drive train layout comes from the b44. All of the adjustment inserts have been used by xray in the on-road 4wd sedan world for years.
Last edited by billjacobs; 01-08-2014 at 10:10 AM.
01-08-2014, 09:55 AM
So talking about abuse. I recently sold all my electronics bc I got some extra Christmas money lol. So I bought a rx8 gen2 for my dex410 as well as a new reedy mach2 7.0. Now I've been looking around and saw the tekin pro2 5200kv 4 pole and has to run on rx8 so I was thinking since I was gonna run an rx8 anyway why not run the pro2 as well. Anyone else running a 4 pole motor or running a reedy mach2 6.5-7.5 that could give some feedback. The reedy should be In the mail today but I don't want to open it if I'm not gonna run it lol.
01-08-2014, 09:58 AM
That's fine, BUT i run mine hard and I race at large 1/10 tracks that are big enough to accommodate 1/8 cars and I also run on their large 1/8 track (we dubbed it the 1/10 killer because it ALWAYS claims a handful of 1/10 cars every time out) and I run an Orion 6.5 powered by an RS Pro and my car is still crisp and tight throughout so I am either doing something right or you are doing something wrong. As well, mine started life as an R model but is now a full v3 so I've been able to monitor changes in every part I had to upgrade and I've not experienced any sort of slop on any one component.
The XB4 is a bit lighter as well so naturally it will not wear out its drivetrain and/or components as much, or as fast as the 410. Like I said, both fantastic cars and both have their strong suits and both will undoubtedly work better than one another depending on track type and conditions, but overall, the great drivers will do well with any of them because each car is so darned good.
The XB4 is a bit lighter as well so naturally it will not wear out its drivetrain and/or components as much, or as fast as the 410. Like I said, both fantastic cars and both have their strong suits and both will undoubtedly work better than one another depending on track type and conditions, but overall, the great drivers will do well with any of them because each car is so darned good.
01-08-2014, 10:04 AM
I'm sure the Reedy will be PLENTY of motor. I also run a 6.5 and it really moves. Don't know about the 4-pole motor though, as I've never run them. I will say though that I've found the LRP & Reedy to be the best motors (LRP is made to endure higher temps than most any other) and have grown quite fond of the Speed Passion V3 motors and I hear their new MMM V3 Motors are even better.
I think you'll be more than fine with the Reedy though. My son's 17.5 by far the best 17.5 we've tried. The LRP 9.5 on my T4 though… That thing is on steroids!!!
I think you'll be more than fine with the Reedy though. My son's 17.5 by far the best 17.5 we've tried. The LRP 9.5 on my T4 though… That thing is on steroids!!!
01-08-2014, 10:05 AM
I recently let go of my 410, and I can say that if you add the Lunsford hinge pins, the car become very tough - so much so that you start throwing it around with crazy confidence.
The whole set of Lunsford pins can generally be picked up for about $20-$25 last I checked.
With that, an extra pair of front and rear arms, you're pretty much set for even the craziest of crashes.
The whole set of Lunsford pins can generally be picked up for about $20-$25 last I checked.
With that, an extra pair of front and rear arms, you're pretty much set for even the craziest of crashes.
01-08-2014, 10:16 AM
I broke a rr hinge pin holder. Thought about getting alum ones but my fear is I'm not sure what it protected by breaking lol. Like they say your car is only as strong as the next weakest link
01-08-2014, 10:18 AM
All you'd break is an arm or something else. I run all Aluminum all the way around now and it's tough as nails.
01-08-2014, 10:57 AM
The reason for my post is that someone asked to compare the dex410 and the xb4. Since I have both, I wrote a comment. In addition, since I have both, and have run both for a while, I am in a position to comment. I am a smooth driver and am very easy on my equipment. When I get premature wear in the car, it is not because I am running a 5.5.
If I didn't like how the dex410 drives, I wouldn't have 3 of them. There is always a best car. Saying one of 4 or 5 is a copout, and something that rc car action always does (notice there is never anything bad about any car.) I have already stated that I like how the dex410 drives, but the xb4 is a better car. Since some can't stand to have their car criticized, I will stop comparing the two cars.
In terms of the xb4 design, I think it is a cross between the b44 and the dex410. The gear diffs and front bulkhead design come from the dex410, whereas the drive train layout comes from the b44. All of the adjustment inserts have been used by xray in the on-road 4wd sedan world for years.
If I didn't like how the dex410 drives, I wouldn't have 3 of them. There is always a best car. Saying one of 4 or 5 is a copout, and something that rc car action always does (notice there is never anything bad about any car.) I have already stated that I like how the dex410 drives, but the xb4 is a better car. Since some can't stand to have their car criticized, I will stop comparing the two cars.
In terms of the xb4 design, I think it is a cross between the b44 and the dex410. The gear diffs and front bulkhead design come from the dex410, whereas the drive train layout comes from the b44. All of the adjustment inserts have been used by xray in the on-road 4wd sedan world for years.
All that being said, I don't see the Xb4 too often and I seriously considered it because it has a great reputation for being a very well refined brand and car. I studied the design for quite some time before I decided on the Durango. (Part of my decision came down to not wanting a different brand 4WD as I also have DEX210). It's nice to have parts compatibility, exchange tires etc.
Another thing we should all note is that durability is extremely difficult to measure. We have ZERO standardized tests. So we shouldn't get too wrapped up in our opinions on this type stuff.
Everyone take a deep breath and smile
01-08-2014, 11:52 AM
01-08-2014, 12:05 PM
Up front and RF All Durango but the RR is the Exotek 3° which I might change to the Durango just because it's the only part on my car that's Gold. They're all basically the same thing these days, just different colors.
FYI Tresrey never made them for the 410.
FYI Tresrey never made them for the 410.
01-08-2014, 12:39 PM
[QUOTE mesh =the incubus; 12886662]Up front and RF All Durango but the RR is the Exotek 3° which I might change to the Durango just because it's the only part on my car that's Gold. They're all basically the same thing these days, just different colors.
FYI Tresrey never made them for the 410.[/QUOTE]
are you using just a straight 3* ? I was looking on amain and saw that they had a rr insert version, looked like a good deal for tuning options. Is that part Nessary to tune or is 3* Pretty
much where it needs to be?
FYI Tresrey never made them for the 410.[/QUOTE]
are you using just a straight 3* ? I was looking on amain and saw that they had a rr insert version, looked like a good deal for tuning options. Is that part Nessary to tune or is 3* Pretty
much where it needs to be?
