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Old 01-06-2014, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pittster
Thanks flame looks like I have 17 deg ones, I find the car steers really well with the 17's and the 21 Deg hubs will give more steering any downsides to the 21's over the 17's?
The 21 calms down the car a lot, the issue with the 17 that I found is that under power, the steering can get sketchy, grabbing and veering here, but not there. The optional hubs will tame that trait, and make the car more controllable. I am using the 19's, and they are a nice middle ground if you like a more steering, the 21's are good also, but offer a little less turn in. The 2way slipper in my opinion is also a great tool for this issue also, so if your car feels a little nervous, these are great tuning parts to have in the parts box.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ekt
The DESC410 chassis would make the vehicle too long
whoops! I should have looked at the wheelbase of each first. That's why I should go to bed!

but I can't sleep lol
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by flame56mx
The 21 calms down the car a lot, the issue with the 17 that I found is that under power, the steering can get sketchy, grabbing and veering here, but not there. The optional hubs will tame that trait, and make the car more controllable. I am using the 19's, and they are a nice middle ground if you like a more steering, the 21's are good also, but offer a little less turn in. The 2way slipper in my opinion is also a great tool for this issue also, so if your car feels a little nervous, these are great tuning parts to have in the parts box.
The 21* keeps wanting to go straight when I turn after high speed
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Old 01-07-2014, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by zzztech
The 21* keeps wanting to go straight when I turn after high speed
Oh yeah, they are different especially if you came from 17. Like any change you make, there are going to be "repercussions" meaning if you add more side bite, its usually always at the cost of steering in some way. Your car with bolt on part has less turn in than it did before, so, just for fun lets say " you gave more traction" to the rear end, and now you'll need to re-balance them a little, or "take some back"..
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Originally Posted by the incubus
Nice.

For what it's worth, the XB4 is heavily based on the 410.

Next time kick that XB-4's teeth in! LOL
Lol, I'll do my best to do that for all 410s everywhere!
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Originally Posted by flame56mx
The 21 calms down the car a lot, the issue with the 17 that I found is that under power, the steering can get sketchy, grabbing and veering here, but not there. The optional hubs will tame that trait, and make the car more controllable. I am using the 19's, and they are a nice middle ground if you like a more steering, the 21's are good also, but offer a little less turn in. The 2way slipper in my opinion is also a great tool for this issue also, so if your car feels a little nervous, these are great tuning parts to have in the parts box.
I agree the 21s calm the car down quite a bit especially when coming from the 17 degree original V3 hubs. It does seem that 19 would be the ideal middle ground and I"ll try those next. I wish durango would do an insert setup like the DEX210 so I don't have to spend 40 bucks on a set of hubs just to change castor. Alum hubs with plastic inserts. That sounds nice.
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Originally Posted by TLRrunner
Lol, I'll do my best to do that for all 410s everywhere!
Xb4 based on the 410? seems like they missed the mark a bit. The 410 is the narrowest 4WD i've seen. All of the other common models have a offset servo in front and most seem to also put the driveshaft between the saddle packs so that it's wider in the rear as well. (I'm ok when my lady gets a little wider in the rear but I usually want my ride to a little thinner)

(Insert sense of humor here) hahahaha.

Has anyone done any side by side testing on the Xb4? so far I've only tested the B44 series and the Kyosho Zx5.
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I have both and these are my thoughts:

The xb4 is probably the most durable 4wd buggy out there. It has an excellent, very free drive train, and the parts wear very little. The car also uses 3mm drive pins that are changeable (just like an 8th scale.) I have raced one for over 8 months and have yet to break or wear out a single part, and I bought the car used from another racer. In terms of handling, the xb4 is almost too stable. It has more push than a dex410, and it changes direction slower, but it is very easy to drive and push.

The dex410 has an all weight down the center design which works well, allowing it to change direction very quickly. The knock against the 410 has always been its durability. Through its 4 versions, the dex410 has gotten more durable, but drive train wear is still high, along with other issues. Durango alloys are also nowhere near as strong as xrays', the diffs are not as smooth, and the parts develop slop and wear much faster than the xray. The dex410 also bends hing pins constantly, and if you get drill blanks, you will wear the aluminum lower blocks. The motor mount needs to a cam mount, the center slipper holders need to me more secure. Sometimes, I really wish that durango would give xray its design to build and tweak. With a few changes, and better plastic and metal quality, the dex410 could be the best 4wd buggy.

In terms of driving both, I like driving the dex410 more, but in a race, I would much rather have the xb4, because you know you will finish the race, no matter what.
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Originally Posted by billjacobs
I have both and these are my thoughts:

The xb4 is probably the most durable 4wd buggy out there. It has an excellent, very free drive train, and the parts wear very little. The car also uses 3mm drive pins that are changeable (just like an 8th scale.) I have raced one for over 8 months and have yet to break or wear out a single part, and I bought the car used from another racer. In terms of handling, the xb4 is almost too stable. It has more push than a dex410, and it changes direction slower, but it is very easy to drive and push.

The dex410 has an all weight down the center design which works well, allowing it to change direction very quickly. The knock against the 410 has always been its durability. Through its 4 versions, the dex410 has gotten more durable, but drive train wear is still high, along with other issues. Durango alloys are also nowhere near as strong as xrays', the diffs are not as smooth, and the parts develop slop and wear much faster than the xray. The dex410 also bends hing pins constantly, and if you get drill blanks, you will wear the aluminum lower blocks. The motor mount needs to a cam mount, the center slipper holders need to me more secure. Sometimes, I really wish that durango would give xray its design to build and tweak. With a few changes, and better plastic and metal quality, the dex410 could be the best 4wd buggy.

In terms of driving both, I like driving the dex410 more, but in a race, I would much rather have the xb4, because you know you will finish the race, no matter what.
I will have to agree with you. I don't think I could have said it any better
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:25 PM
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I've only got one year into racing and have a 410 aswell. I think thats well said, I like how it drives but the durability is bad compared to my AE stuff. I also hated building it, and i have durangoitis now (constantly checking pins). right now im waiting on the pivot balls so i can use the alum hinge pin carriers. but then again I can't wait for the day they come in because its going to be sweet.
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I know everybody has an opinion so, I have been running my 410 since 2009. It still has some o.e parts on it. Towers, diff gears and steering components. My car has been very good and only updated things when they evolved into something better ie machine gears, plastic side plates etc. I have only good things to say.....to each there own.
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Originally Posted by flame56mx
The 21 calms down the car a lot, the issue with the 17 that I found is that under power, the steering can get sketchy, grabbing and veering here, but not there. The optional hubs will tame that trait, and make the car more controllable. I am using the 19's, and they are a nice middle ground if you like a more steering, the 21's are good also, but offer a little less turn in. The 2way slipper in my opinion is also a great tool for this issue also, so if your car feels a little nervous, these are great tuning parts to have in the parts box.
Thanks Flame more things for the wish list

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I've only got one year into racing and have a 410 aswell. I think thats well said, I like how it drives but the durability is bad compared to my AE stuff. I also hated building it, and i have durangoitis now (constantly checking pins). right now im waiting on the pivot balls so i can use the alum hinge pin carriers. but then again I can't wait for the day they come in because its going to be sweet.
So I have bent Front A arm Pins before and just replaced them with stock Items.

What is the cure are the Lunsford titanium items strong enough to not bend ?


http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...inge-Pin-Kit-8

I don't wanna get durangoitis
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I can't claim to have had other 4wd buggies in the past but I have driven my fair share of them. Everything has their short comings in my opinion, I've had my 410 for 8 months now and I can't say I've had any issues with it holding up to abuse. During the holidays when kids get new slashes and new rustlers they bring them out to the track and bash the crap out of them mostly driving the wrong way on the track or pinning it wide open over a jump. For the newbies the fun and excitement comes mainly from the demolition derby, those of us with buggies or trucks trying to get around the track fast have to contend with all the chaos and mayhem by driving around them and avoid getting taken out. I've seen XB4s, B44, & 410s get blasted slashes, rustlers and the like going the wrong way wide open or landing on top of them all have scummed to the abuse in some fashion but I have to say the 410s have held up the best from what I've witnessed and experienced personally.
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I bought a set of lunsford hingepins for the 410. At about $20 for the set, they are a waste of money. They are slightly more durable than the stock pins, but they still bend. The only hingepins that won't bend are high carbon drill blanks, which you can get from mcmaster, etc. The drill blanks cost about the same as the stock pins. The problem with the aluminum lower blocks is that you will wear the block itself.

I lump durability and wear resistance together. Breaking parts is not good. Replacing worn parts too often is also not good. Just because a car doesn't break everytime you run it doesn't make it durable.

I understand that this is a dex410 forum and guys will defend their "rides." Until you have tried the xray (as far as durability and wear is concerned,) you have no idea how durable a 1/10 4wd buggy can be. 4wd buggy almost died because of their durability issues (b44- arms, shock towers, etc, xxx4- most of the car, etc.) There are now better choices for durability and running cost, which is why it is starting to come back a little.

Everyone has an opinion, but facts are facts. The dex410 is a great driver's car, but durability and specifically wear, is not its strong point. Listen to almost any dex410 on the track. Mine is relatively quiet (for a dex410), but still has a lot of metallic noise while running. My xb4 is silent by comparison. If durango redesigns several parts in the dex410 (center motor mount and slipper block, inputs to the diff housings, and hinge pin holders, plus adds 3mm drive pins,) they will add durability and wear resistance to the car. The things mentioned above are exactly what makes the xb4 durable and resistant to wear.

BTW, I currently have 3 dex410's. The original dex410 v1, and 2 dex410v3's (I have added the v4 arms, plastic gears, and shock orings to 1 dex410v3.) I also have an xb4. While running both buggies for about the same time, (xb4 and dex410v3) I have play in the front and rear arms of the dex410 (worn lower mounts,) the slipper outdrive is worn, there is play in the slipper assembly (side to side,) and the center shaft universals are worn. On the xb4, I have replaced the 3mm drive pins 1 time (at a cost of $5 plus the mugen tool.) There is no play and no slop. (The only thing that will wear on the xb4 are the 3mm pins, which you have to swap out periodically.)

If you are going to spend $400 on a 4wd kit, my opinion is clear.

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So talking about abuse. I recently sold all my electronics bc I got some extra Christmas money lol. So I bought a rx8 gen2 for my dex410 as well as a new reedy mach2 7.0. Now I've been looking around and saw the tekin pro2 5200kv 4 pole and has to run on rx8 so I was thinking since I was gonna run an rx8 anyway why not run the pro2 as well. Anyone else running a 4 pole motor or running a reedy mach2 6.5-7.5 that could give some feedback. The reedy should be In the mail today but I don't want to open it if I'm not gonna run it lol.
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