Nostrixoxide

Hi guys,

I have a xx4 & it used to have a tekin 410k speed control with a Older motor in it that said revolution. It's not all all like the newly designed end bell "Revolution" motors made today. Anyways, it was really really fast.

Well since then I have put in a Novak Super Rooster with reverse & a Orbital Pro BB motor. Not sure of the turn count but I'm guessing maybe 11t double.
I've been out of this hobby for so many years I don't really know whats considered good anymore?

If I remember correctly the smaller # the turns & the higher the second figure (single, double triple) the faster the motor would be. Is this still the case or are there better motors out there that have a higher RPM. Like I said I'm just not really sure about this anymore.

I just want another bad dude set up & I don't really want to put a brushless system in this particular car. Can anyone give me some pointers on selecting a good motor for this toy? Or maybe if you know of something that will be a screamer that would help to. I would really like to see this car go as fast as I remember it being before my older brother started harvesting parts from it.

If I had to put a MPH number next to how I remember it performing & knowing it's performance now with this new set up I would say I would be happy with something that could get me in the 50-55mph range. I'm pretty sure ths car used to be atleast that fast. Now I would say it's maybe 35-40mph???

It did keep up with my friends RC12 pan car pretty good today, so maybe I'm under estimating this thing some. But it deffinitely is slower then it once was. So how would you go about it? What is the meanest brushed motor out there that will work with a Novak super rooster???

Thanks guy's I just don't like spending money twice. I would rather spend more money now then twice the amount later...

nv529

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buy a brushless with lipo or you simply wasting your time.

rearviewmirror

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Not sure why you wouldn't want to go brushless. Maintenance free and more powerful than a brushed motor, what more could you ask for?

JR007

^^ For a start, he said he DIDN'T want to go brushless. What's wrong with that? Let's see, brushless motor is about twice the price of a good brushed. Oh, also, you have to buy a new ESC. Oh, and yeah, get lipo, so there is another few hundred on a new charger and battery!

Not everyone wants the BEST of everything at any cost.

There are some CRAZY deals at Stormer right now for Peak motors. All of them are $19.99 each! Get a Spashett 9 turn single and hold on!

Brushed do require a fair bit of maintenance, but to be honest, if you don't race regularly, you can just run the motor into the ground and buy another one for the sort of prices like $20 each!

Also, give the drivetrain a rebuild, you will probably get a bit of power there if it's been sitting on the shelf for a bit.

For mod motors (apples for apples), more turns = more power, more winds = smoother power band, but a little less torque.

jk racing

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like all motor sports, the faster you want to go, the more money it will cost.

That being said, you can drop a 7 turn or 8 turn motor in there and be really ballistic, but run time will suffer, and if you try to actually take it to a race track, it will be hard if not impossible to drive. Keep in mind also, the more RPMs you turn, the more often the motor will need to be pulled and regular maintenance done to it. Comm cut, new brushes, cleaned out....stress on the drivetrain will be enhanced, broken belts, smoked diffs, burnt up slipper clutch.

With a brushless set up, you not only have almost no maintenance for the motor, but you have gobs of torque. Much more than a brushed motor. So for a lower RPM motor, you can gear the car much higher and obtain good acceleration and excellent top speed to match the low turn brushed motors.

Case in point, I have a XX4 that I race with, I use a Mamba 4600 brushless system (their "slowest" one in terms of RPM). Geared 21/84, I have more low end torque than I can safely drive with, and my top end is awesome. I can clear any and every double/triple that I have attempted, with ease. For true top end MPH, couldnt really tell you, I only run the car on the track, but it probably is in the 30-35 MPH range.

"Sport" model Brushless systems can be had for 150 and under. A good 7 or 8 turn motor may cost you half that. But in the end, the brushless will cost less, after you rebuild your brushed motor several times (and performance dropping off after a few battery packs), not to mention you should get more run time with the brushless motor, drawing less amps (which also is less harsh on your battery packs).

Nostrixoxide

Thanks for all the reply's to everyone. One of my main reasons for not wanting to go Brushless is I've already laid out quite a few $$$'s for the Novak & I really think that going Brushless might force me to replace my drive belts more often then I really would like to. Another strong reason is I have several $$$'s worth of match cell battery packs that I built for the car & the configuration of th cells is fairly unique to the design of the chassis.

I'm not a racer by any means when it comes these these cool little toy's. I mainly just rip-umm around out front on the street or over at my friends pad. I know, I know it's a sin for me not to drive my XX4 in the dirt. But I'm a clean freak when it comes to this car & my Nitro on road. Now my E-Maxx I could care less, I'd take that thing swimming if I knew it was water tight.

But back to the subject, my XX4 is kinda special to me. I bought it from a good friend that has since passed away & I want to get the performance back to how it was when I bought it from him. He used to fly all over the country and race that car & I have absolutely no clue how he made that damn thing so freaking fast. Not to mention it never had any problems breaking belts until I sheared the passenger side of it off when I slammed it full speed into my car parked out on the street.

As for the maintenance I recently replaced all the drive belts & went through the diff's. Everything is in great working order, except tonight I let my friend drive it & he did a nice little cart wheel & stripped out my steering servo. No big deal though I've come to expect it now with those Hitec servo's. That must of been the 8th Hitec servo that's been wrecked. Some were ligit & some were kinda suspiscious. The best servo I ever had in there was a aluminum geared high speed Airtronics that cost me about $115 back in 1999. That one ended up vanishing on me on day when my brother came to visit???

Well I'm gonna start looking for a good 9t single I suppose. Do they make 9t triples? Or are those limited to 10t or higher? I'm having a real hard time finding any sources for quality motors. My only luck so far has been Ebay. And there supply is limited, I think I only found one 9t motor & it was looking alittle shakey.

Thanks again for all the input guy's it's much appreciated...

jk racing

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check out www.banzaimotors.com

Great motor builder, will do any motor you want, just ask.

All in

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+ brushless is not perfect yet. I and a lot of people have smoked motors, speed controls from some major companies. There is one guy who still cuts comms and replaces brushes. He is a front runner in every race he is in. Something to be said for a reliable set up. You can't buy talent.

JR007

+1

I feel like going on EVERY brushless thread and say "just go brushed man, forget about actually wanting to do what you wanted, go brushed it's better in every way"

THEN we'll see how much people like being given useless information

d16dcoe45

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any 9 x 1 --even the Orion revolutions and checkpoints which are long lasting designs are still going to wear very fast in a xx4. I hate to beat a dead horse but with the reliabiltiy and pricing of modern brushless systems I can't understand why someone would want to invest money in a brushed system. And I used to be the guy who really like tuning brushed motors and didn't care to know anything about brushless.

If you don't already have a comm. lathe you will have to add that to your cost, and teh cost of brushes. I have a 6.5 LRP and a 6.5 Novak running on an LRP sphere in my 4wds (including a xx4) and they run the same run after run, day after day--I haven't taken them out of the cars in months, and then only to replace the bearings in the motors. No more brushes, comm. cutting, power fade, brake fade during a run and worrying about rebuilds.

If you want a super fast xx4--depending on where (or if) you race you could go as low as a 5.5 Novak or LRP, and with the right batteries have more speed than you could ever want. More than any 9 turn.

There is a reason top end hand wound brushed mod. motors are selling for $20-$30, very, very few people are buying them anymore.

Nostrixoxide

I understand that Brushless is the new technology & that in the long run the cost ends up being more efficient. But I really don't drive this car very often. Were taking maybe 1 or 2 battery packs per month. So for me to junk my brushed equiptment to convert over to Brushless right now doesn't seem to be very cost effective.

At the rate I drive this little guy I figure a brushed motor could last me a couple years or so before I need to replace any brushes. And that leaves the door open for the future. Who really knows, by the time the brushed motor is ready for a rebuild there may be something better out there then brushless. At the rate our technology is growing it's not impossible to fathum.

I really do have my mind made up about staying with a brushed system for this particular vehicle. Maybe I'll play around with something brushless for my E-Maxx. But the XX4 is staying brushed. I was just alittle confused about how the motors were rated. It's been a long time since I've been in the groove so to speak with the RC world.

tom_chang79

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Nostris, I too am from that era and I have to concur that getting a brushless system was the best investment I've ever made. When I got back in to the hobby, brushless wasn't out yet, so I opted for the Novak GTX. Since then, I've bought two Castle Creations Mamba Maxs and have never looked back. No more cutting the motor, no more cleaning the comm. Now I can just concentrate on the diffs and shocks during my regular maintenance.

supercross

i've run both brushed & brushless & have to agree with the people who are saying that the almost zero maintenance of brushless makes it the obvious choice. it does.
however i'm running brushed again at the moment (basically just to use up a collection of motors, brushes etc i'd built up) & the high maintenance needed on low turn motors is relentless! the 9t single in my B44 needs a skim every 2 five minute runs or it loses punch & brakes plus it needs brushes every meeting!
i seem to be working away feverishly between runs while everyone else seems to be having fun socialising etc!
i think i'll be back on the brushless sooner rather than later
anyway for the running you'll be doing a low turn brushed motor will be plenty fast enough & the upkeep wont be such a chore
for $20 from stormer they are a bargain, at that price just buy 3 or 4 and go crazy

Sachin998

What is wrong with you people???

The man says he wants "THE FASTEST BRUSHED MOTOR HE CAN GET"

People will you please get your eyes tested. He just said he only uses the car once or twice a month. Yet you still keep on pestering him to go and buy a brushless cause there is "less maintenance, runs longer blah blah blah!!"

My man, do what I did. I stopped visiting forums ages ago for exactly this reason. No one actually answers your question. There is a new age of RC enthusiasts who believe blinging everything and spending money on the best is the only answer to "satisfaction/fixing problems" with our hobby. They are as dumb as they get. I am 26 years old, by no means a dinosaur, and I love tinkering with my cars as much as I enjoy riding them. I got brushed and brushless motors. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU CAN GET THE SAME RUSH/SPEED WITH A CHEAP BRUSHED MOTOR FOR YOUR ONCE A MONTH ADRENALIN RUSH! I run a 8 turn double, and leave some bruhless schmucks in the dust with my 6 pack nimh. The motor wont last "AND U ALREADY KNOW THIS!" but you will still have some fun.

Do me a favour and find an enthusiast in the hobby who cleans his ears once a week and who can actually hear you out. Do not waste your times in these forums any longer unless you looking to "buy bling" and unless you looking at spending money on some "cool" part to fix your problem. Thats the only advice you will get here from "generation dumb". There are a few that actually assist, but it is more frustrating having to go thru the many morons to get your answer. If you looking at solving your problem with what you have and do not want to spend money, then you are s^&t out of luck. Generation Dumb only know how to fix things by sourcing aftermarket expensive parts.

rwhisen

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What he said......