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Old 09-09-2008, 09:37 AM   #61
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I like both nitro and electric, I have bashed and raced both.

I don't mind if you play devil's advocate, that can lead to some fun debates!!

I just think after buying a couple new blocks, a lot will leave the hobby. I think electrics have fewer headaches for a new person.

In today's world of instant gratification(not everyone but a lot), electric is easier. As their skills improve get either one. Both are a blast.

As long a couple years after their first purchase they are still flying down the street, bashing at a construction site, going through the esses on the local onroad, or launching a buggy over a triple. Staying around in the hobby whichever power plant keeps our hobby growing.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:55 AM   #62
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Originally Posted by tom_chang79 View Post
Just to play devil's advocate. Doesn't a newb who doesn't know much about nitros, who blows up an engine block every week, bring more business to that shop by asking for repair service and new parts/block?
I see your point of thinking, and this may have been true a few years back. But in doing this the newb never really learns. All they will learn to do is spend money and keep breaking, if they always have techs fixing their rides. Eventually the money and the patience will wear out. Plus if new to racing, consistent breaks also break the spirit, and giving up becomes the better option.
This is the point of the earlier poster who expressed to take time to learn the hobby/sport b4 jumping in head first. If you race, hey, consider this REAL racing...You're just doing it on a smaller scale. The same elements are there. Some of these platforms are complicated for a new comer..Hell, some are complicated for the experienced ...Its a crawl b4 you walk...walk b4 you run process. Do that and you'll gain a lot more from this hobby/sport. PLUS, you'll be proud of the knowledge you gained along the way.
I agree that Nitro maybe a little more work as far as tuning, but Electric has its fair share of work requirements as well. I know I've put in my hours tuning and prepping my electrics for next weekend race. Both are fun, both require upkeep.... This is of course if you want both to consistently perform well.
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Internet and the Walmartization by companies such as a-main hobbies have hurt this hobby the most
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Internet and the Walmartization by companies such as a-main hobbies have hurt this hobby the most
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Jon, your point(s) are all well taken and have plenty of merit, sorry if I came across as overly defensive about shops and the folks who work there.

As for my opinion on what nitro has done to the hobby, it has only helped it grow. The real problem IMO is not nitro versus electric, clueless or rude counter help, or even rookies with preconceived notions. The single biggest problem I see with r/c models of all stripes is also the single most important factor in the phenomenal growth the industry has recently experienced. That would be the overly aggressive marketing and associated growth pains of the RTR concept.

Even the most complete, everything included in one box RTR's (all of which are electric BTW), still requires a rookie owner to read, comprehend, and follow the (often vague or nonexistent) instructions, installing and/or charging batteries, and at least some light assembly/adjustment before they can play with their new toy. This is true even with the "toy" grade stuff available from major electronics and general merchandise chains. While the quality and completeness of hobby grade RTR's has improved enormously in the last few years, the included instructions for the most part are still woefully inadequate, and some so called RTR's still don't include instructions in english or have a few horribly copied sheets that don't apply to the model they are packed with, or at best skim over generalities associated with several models in the makers line. The problem is, all advertising for these products gives the impression a model can be used minutes after pulling it from the box even if one has never seen an r/c in their life. IMO, sellers of RTR's need to do a better job of educating their potential new customers BEFORE the sale rather than seeing how many hot buttons they can push with every ad.

Credit where it's due, some makers such as Traxxas and E-Flite have done a masterful job of assembling very complete and comprehensive instruction sets to include with their models while also minimizing the amount of assembly/adjustment required to make the model ready for use. Of all the RTR cars out there, Traxxas nitro cars and trucks are the only brand I can sell to a rookie with confidence in their success, provided they read, comprehend, and follow the included instructions.

It would be simpler to lay blame for these short comings in advertising with the makers and leave it at that, but I also want to see my favorite pastime grow so I always stress those points the makers "forgot" in their ads when dealing with new customers, as well being clear to not be shy about asking questions regards any aspect of their new purchase they don't understand. I also make sure they know we are there for them if they hit a sang. Given the current quality of most RTR's, counter help need not be a grizzled r/c veteran to be effective at insuring a good first experience for rookies, simple training in how to effectively convey what to expect when they open the box is enough to insure those who are willing to accept it get the info they need to make an informed first time r/c purchase decision.

We are witnessing the largest growth spurt in the history of R/C, and all credit for this goes to the RTR concept and the way it opened the door for those who would otherwise be intimidated by a box of loose parts and an instruction manual. For any concept to grow, there are lessons to be learned which must be heeded for that growth to continue. There is no doubt the RTR concept is here to stay and will continue to attract millions of fresh souls to our particular madness. What remains to be seen is who will adapt and prosper and who will continue to gouge every penny out of what they see as a short term fad.

In a nutshell, it's a great time to be involved, or to become involved for the first time, in the fun only a hobby grade r/c model can provide.

Just my $00.02
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