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Old 08-07-2008, 11:27 PM   #1
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But you can actually control the 10.5 instead of doing wheelies all over the place.
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You really shouldn't base your purchase purely on speed. Speed without control is not really worth having.

You should also consider things like the ESC that it mates with, reliability, and what your application (I'm assuming off-road since it's in this section, but 2WD truck? 2wd buggy? 4wd buggy? 1/8 nitro-brushless conversion?)

Mamba systems are awesome. I just recently bought one after being indecisive about which one to get: LRP, Novak, or Castle Creations.

I'm really glad I bought my Mamba Max ESC. They are easy to configure (graphical interface) and they are supposedly rugged (this one will be tested with time)...

I highly recommend the Mamba Max. Their Sidewinder ESC + Motor combo would suit you better if you're on a tight budget...
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But you can actually control the 10.5 instead of doing wheelies all over the place.
Not sure what is faster, but I run a MM 4600 on LiPo in XXXT and it is very controlable. My brother in-law runs a 5700 on LiPo in a T4 and it doesn't wheelie all over the place. I think the Novak 10.5 is a 4300, so the MM would be a little faster if that is the case. The MM kv = rpm per volt. I have raced against the Novak and I think either one is an excellant choice for a 1/10 2wd. It all comes down to what brand you lean toward.

I didn't realize that Badassrevo posted the big 4600 earlier, he is the most informed tech guy I know. So that would answer your question.

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My 4600 and 8.5 pro are almost identical.
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I ran a 4600 in my B4 on a small sticky indoor track once. I geared it 25/81 and it would still pull the front off the dirt coming out of corners, and obviously had tons of top end with that gearing. Doubt that a 10.5 could come close to it.

But a 10.5 is a good buggy motor for a small track, especially for a beginner. Liek others said it's a more mild motor... doesn't have the rip that a 4600 has.

But if you are asking which is faster? 4600 no question

Castle's motors are a different animal than other brands... can't really compare kv to kv.
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The 4600 and 8.5 are close, but, the 4600 seems to have just a little more low and top end to me. I run my 4600 against mostly 6.5 and 5.5 4WD Mod buggies and I'm not giving up much, if anything, in performance.

For reasons unknown to me, it seems like my Sidewinder/4600 gets more from my lipos than my XRB 8.5 or even my GTB 6.5 did. Its like it can put more of the low IR of the lipos into the powerband somehow.

The latest software for the Castle ESCs make them just as easy to drive as sensored.
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Very interesting thread . I`ve had a few Novak 6.5 systems in the past and now thinking of trying a Castle system . I always wondered not so much which is faster , but how they compare to each other . So the 4600 is close to a Novak 8.5 ? What about the 5700 ? 6.5, 5.5 ? What does Castle have that is close to Novak`s 10.5 ? There is a 10.5 class at my track which I guess is the 19 turn class .

Also what is the difference between a Mamba Max system and a Sidewinder system . Funds are low right now and thought about going with the sidewinder but don`t want to get something I`ll regret either .
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I run a mamba 5700 in my XXX-CR without issue. If you want faster then that step up to the 6900 and then if you feel real big go to the 7700....i ran the 7700 in my XXX-CR and it was too much motor for where I run.
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I wouldn't call the 10.5 motor good for a beginner. a 10.5 NOvak geared properly is very fast. Fast and smooth. For a small/med. track its about ideal--even for a mod class.
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Castle motors are completely different so it's hard to compare. I have the 4600, the 5700, and I sold my 6900 because there's no need for it. My 5700 is as controllable as a 10.5 on the bottom and as fast as a 4.5 on top if geared right. I've actually won a lot of races in my 4wd with a 4600, where a 10.5 wouldn't have even came close to the same performance. Read the tuning guide on Castle's website and you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about. When they say you can just gear up for more speed, they're not kidding.

What esc are you running?
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Castle motors are completely different so it's hard to compare. I have the 4600, the 5700, and I sold my 6900 because there's no need for it. My 5700 is as controllable as a 10.5 on the bottom and as fast as a 4.5 on top if geared right. I've actually won a lot of races in my 4wd with a 4600, where a 10.5 wouldn't have even came close to the same performance. Read the tuning guide on Castle's website and you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about. When they say you can just gear up for more speed, they're not kidding.

What esc are you running?
Right now I`m running brushed with a GTX .
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Scott54 is 100% right on about trying to compare sensored/sensorless motors.

I went with the Sidewinder mostly because of 1. cost and 2.Resistance to thermalling. I cant say enough how impressed I am with the updated software. It only took a little programming to get it to feel like my a lot like my GTB did.

Getting a motor and esc that work this good for $140 (even cheaper if you buy on line) is ridculous. You could throw in a lipo battery with the money you save.
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a 4600 IMO was still too much in way of ponies that could be used well @ the track i ran at last year, only wish i couldve had an 8.5 or 10.5

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