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Old 09-06-2003, 05:59 PM   #106
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Is that head specifically for the P5, or would it work with the WS7?
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Old 09-07-2003, 06:40 AM   #107
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i might be wrong but i think you can use the same head on ws7 and p5

i know a friend of mine has a c4 head on his p5
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Old 09-07-2003, 07:30 AM   #108
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I'm not real sure but don't you thing people like Mario Rossi & Mr JP him self would know enough about these ENGINES to put the CORRECT size head on them from the start??????
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Old 09-07-2003, 11:56 AM   #109
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look up a few posts :P I already mentioned that exact scenario

Alas, it is true though ... you would think they would I trust they do anyhow!
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Old 09-07-2003, 02:51 PM   #110
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I trust that they know what they're doing, but my WS7 head has a nice ole dent in it, so I'd like to find a head that doesn't...
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Old 09-07-2003, 06:05 PM   #111
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I'm in the market of purchasing another .21 engine for my K2.
I had a C5 with a TOP 0886 pipe. I also tried it with a Whaller Adapter to see how my bottom end would improve.
I cracked the crankcase when installing a new front bearing
I was very pleased with it's top end, but was not very impressed with it's bottom end -- even with the use of the whaller adapter and the 086 pipe.
Has anyone tried the C5 with an 063 pipe?
How about the WS7II.....how does it perfom overall and what pipe combo impressed you or reccomend
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Old 09-09-2003, 06:14 PM   #112
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try doing some clutch tuning to make torque. run heavier springs or aluminum shoes. if you run carbon shoes make sure they you scuff the shoes and the bell every so often to keep them from glazing. glaze make them slip and kill your torque. also remove the oil from your bearings. the oil will cause the shoes to slip. you have to replace the bearings more often but the shoes bite better. Always run a 13t clutchbell.

i run a 9886 with my C4 buggy engine. no waller. I either run mugen aluminum shoes or a Fioroni turbo sliding clutch ( www.gsracing.com ) . it has tons of bottom with either setup.
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Old 09-09-2003, 07:47 PM   #113
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thank for the info mosh
actually, i already have experimented with the use of different shoes and/or springs. I am currently using the kyosho composite shoes with their med springs (1.0mm). this combo has the right amount of slip for out track. I also do clean out the grease from my clutch bearings and use a "dry lube" to keep them spinning freely. I also use a 13t pinion and use a 48t spur (instead of the stock 46t) to get a little more zip out of the corners and for our such short runways w/ alot of jumps.
Using the aluminum shoes gave great control in the slippery sections, but needed more snap.
Is the 086 a more torque biased pipe as opposed to the 063, or is it the other way around? and, if the C5 is a top end performer, do you mate it with a top end performing pipe -- or mate it with a torque biased pipe to make the bottom end come "alive"
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Old 09-09-2003, 08:06 PM   #114
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53 is a bottom pipe with slightly better fuel mileage
63 is bottom and mid with fuel mileage like the 53
86 rips everywhere. bottom to top. 86 makes the most power. doesn't have the economy as good as the 53 and 63 but it makes up for it in power.
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as far as what pipe to run with what engine its up to your preference

i use a 086 style pipe on my p5

when i ran the 0-1 comp i used a 53

i would say if your track is tight and technical to use a bottom end pipe

it all depends on what your looking for bottom end top end or somewhere in the middle

if your runnning an engine like ws7 i would definetly go for a bottom end pipe ive heard thats a top end engine that kinda lacks a little when it comes to bottom end power

running a 053 on my p5 would be bottom end overkill i know cause i tried it when i used the 053 on it the top end performance wasnt very good

i also tried a waller adapter with my 086 and it was the same as 053
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anyone that claims the WS7 lacks lowend is full of themselves, its one of the strongest lowend motors, the WS7II adds a C5 style crank to give the same massive lowend with added top.

as for the C5, I've ran 3 Gallons through mine in a Savage and it has crazy power all over the place, I use a THS pipe (086 style with long header) and a waller adapter, it flat out rips with Mugen carbon 3 shoe clutch and light springs, it has to much lowend with AL shoes and 1.1 springs.
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Josh, not doubting u or trying to start an argument but when u are saying the WS7 has massive low end can u compare it to another engine? say have u tried a P5 or RZV01B and how does it compare to one of em?
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I can say this, the WS7II doesn't have bottomend like other engines. Not that you can't get some out of it though. Clutch tuning and a few other things will help greatly to get bottom from those engines.
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the top guy in our area got one and when i asked him about its performance he said to me that it lacked some bottom end

this is just what he told me it was obvoisly just his opinion but he owned the engine and that was what he thought about it

eltorito and hobbytown know him well his name is chris crews

he has had more engines than most of us ever will and since thats what he said about it i believe him to be correct

however the ws7 2 is the only other engine besides the p5 i would consider getting
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Old 09-11-2003, 04:19 PM   #120
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besides all that you had it in a savage
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