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Old 06-14-2008, 09:52 AM   #1
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any news on this? heard checkpoint has released theirs recently, and trakpower has already released theirs, and orion uses similar cells, anyone want to share any info?
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Old 06-14-2008, 04:31 PM   #2
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i wouls asume they will just cause the ae b44 and hotbodies d4 and soon to come the new kyosho fs version 4x4 heck thats 3 magor players in 10th 4x4 and i would asume orion would want to be apart of this.
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There are a few reasons why Team Orion hasn't made a saddlepack Lipo yet.

Reason one: Due to the lack of space in all of these new 4WD buggies, If we were to create a saddle pack it would have a very low capacity (relatively speaking). We would probably have a hard time getting the battery pack up to 3000 mah. Since 4WD buggy is only an open modified class, the average consumer would not feel comfortable having such a low capacity battery. Every Lipo battery that we sell is produced by Kokam. If you had 2 different cells of the same capacity from 2 different manufactures, the Kokam cell would be a little larger in size. This is due to all of the safety features that are built into the cells. Kokam cells are undoubtably the safest cells on the market. Neither Kokam or Team Orion will downgrade the quality of the cell to decrease the physical size. We take pride in delivering the best cell possible.

Reason two: 4WD buggy has come and gone once before. At one time it was even more popular than it is now. Then it quickly died and was dead for a long time. It's a big gamble to produce a battery for a class that might die a year from now. Also, 4WD buggy is really the only class of car that would use this kind of battery. And looking at the big picture, it's still a small class. At this point, the demand is still to small to put an entirely new product into production. With the current demand for this type of pack, we wouldn't make enough money to justify the cost of development and production. If the class keeps growing at it's current rate, it will become possible.

Reason three: Due to Team Orion's complete reconstruction of the entire product line, the saddle pack idea has unfortunately been put on the back burner. But that doesn't mean that we haven't tried a battery like this or dislike the concept. With the new Kyosho saddle pack car arriving at the end of the year, it gives us extra motivation to come out with a saddle pack lipo. If we were going to put it into production it would probably be in the hobby shops around the same time as the new Kyosho car.
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There are a few reasons why Team Orion hasn't made a saddlepack Lipo yet.

Reason one: Due to the lack of space in all of these new 4WD buggies, If we were to create a saddle pack it would have a very low capacity (relatively speaking). We would probably have a hard time getting the battery pack up to 3000 mah. Since 4WD buggy is only an open modified class, the average consumer would not feel comfortable having such a low capacity battery. Every Lipo battery that we sell is produced by Kokam. If you had 2 different cells of the same capacity from 2 different manufactures, the Kokam cell would be a little larger in size. This is due to all of the safety features that are built into the cells. Kokam cells are undoubtably the safest cells on the market. Neither Kokam or Team Orion will downgrade the quality of the cell to decrease the physical size. We take pride in delivering the best cell possible.

Reason two: 4WD buggy has come and gone once before. At one time it was even more popular than it is now. Then it quickly died and was dead for a long time. It's a big gamble to produce a battery for a class that might die a year from now. Also, 4WD buggy is really the only class of car that would use this kind of battery. And looking at the big picture, it's still a small class. At this point, the demand is still to small to put an entirely new product into production. With the current demand for this type of pack, we wouldn't make enough money to justify the cost of development and production. If the class keeps growing at it's current rate, it will become possible.

Reason three: Due to Team Orion's complete reconstruction of the entire product line, the saddle pack idea has unfortunately been put on the back burner. But that doesn't mean that we haven't tried a battery like this or dislike the concept. With the new Kyosho saddle pack car arriving at the end of the year, it gives us extra motivation to come out with a saddle pack lipo. If we were going to put it into production it would probably be in the hobby shops around the same time as the new Kyosho car.
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There are a few reasons why Team Orion hasn't made a saddlepack Lipo yet.

Reason one: Due to the lack of space in all of these new 4WD buggies, If we were to create a saddle pack it would have a very low capacity (relatively speaking). We would probably have a hard time getting the battery pack up to 3000 mah. Since 4WD buggy is only an open modified class, the average consumer would not feel comfortable having such a low capacity battery. Every Lipo battery that we sell is produced by Kokam. If you had 2 different cells of the same capacity from 2 different manufactures, the Kokam cell would be a little larger in size. This is due to all of the safety features that are built into the cells. Kokam cells are undoubtably the safest cells on the market. Neither Kokam or Team Orion will downgrade the quality of the cell to decrease the physical size. We take pride in delivering the best cell possible.

Reason two: 4WD buggy has come and gone once before. At one time it was even more popular than it is now. Then it quickly died and was dead for a long time. It's a big gamble to produce a battery for a class that might die a year from now. Also, 4WD buggy is really the only class of car that would use this kind of battery. And looking at the big picture, it's still a small class. At this point, the demand is still to small to put an entirely new product into production. With the current demand for this type of pack, we wouldn't make enough money to justify the cost of development and production. If the class keeps growing at it's current rate, it will become possible.

Reason three: Due to Team Orion's complete reconstruction of the entire product line, the saddle pack idea has unfortunately been put on the back burner. But that doesn't mean that we haven't tried a battery like this or dislike the concept. With the new Kyosho saddle pack car arriving at the end of the year, it gives us extra motivation to come out with a saddle pack lipo. If we were going to put it into production it would probably be in the hobby shops around the same time as the new Kyosho car.
That's a garbage answer.....


make the saddle pack work in stick pack cars too and your golden.
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Insider info is always nice
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That's a garbage answer.....


make the saddle pack work in stick pack cars too and your golden.
Wow man you're bold
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There are a few reasons why Team Orion hasn't made a saddlepack Lipo yet.

Reason one: Due to the lack of space in all of these new 4WD buggies, If we were to create a saddle pack it would have a very low capacity (relatively speaking). We would probably have a hard time getting the battery pack up to 3000 mah. Since 4WD buggy is only an open modified class, the average consumer would not feel comfortable having such a low capacity battery. Every Lipo battery that we sell is produced by Kokam. If you had 2 different cells of the same capacity from 2 different manufactures, the Kokam cell would be a little larger in size. This is due to all of the safety features that are built into the cells. Kokam cells are undoubtably the safest cells on the market. Neither Kokam or Team Orion will downgrade the quality of the cell to decrease the physical size. We take pride in delivering the best cell possible.

Reason two: 4WD buggy has come and gone once before. At one time it was even more popular than it is now. Then it quickly died and was dead for a long time. It's a big gamble to produce a battery for a class that might die a year from now. Also, 4WD buggy is really the only class of car that would use this kind of battery. And looking at the big picture, it's still a small class. At this point, the demand is still to small to put an entirely new product into production. With the current demand for this type of pack, we wouldn't make enough money to justify the cost of development and production. If the class keeps growing at it's current rate, it will become possible.

Reason three: Due to Team Orion's complete reconstruction of the entire product line, the saddle pack idea has unfortunately been put on the back burner. But that doesn't mean that we haven't tried a battery like this or dislike the concept. With the new Kyosho saddle pack car arriving at the end of the year, it gives us extra motivation to come out with a saddle pack lipo. If we were going to put it into production it would probably be in the hobby shops around the same time as the new Kyosho car.

Reason one is actually an answer I heard direct from an "insider" at Orion
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I dunno it's possible, trak power makes'em.
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boy i would think that looking to 4wd to die out again is kinda not the way a company is supposed to help keep a hobby kickin. Long ago everyone got excited cuz 4wd was fun and it got big! then the expense and upkeep of brushed motors made it not fun and a ton of work, so it died. With the brushless movement im sure its got a way better chance to stay and continue to grow. in northern cali its now one of the strongest classess and no one runs nimh they all run trakpower or maxamps lipo packs. Support our little hobby not wait for it to die just a thought
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i thought 4x4 class died cause of durability not batteries. anyway its to bad we wont see an orion saddle pack i was kinda hoping to buy one for my 4x4. oh well looks like trackpower or max amps will be cashing in on some extra customers.
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boy i would think that looking to 4wd to die out again is kinda not the way a company is supposed to help keep a hobby kickin. Long ago everyone got excited cuz 4wd was fun and it got big! then the expense and upkeep of brushed motors made it not fun and a ton of work, so it died. With the brushless movement im sure its got a way better chance to stay and continue to grow. in northern cali its now one of the strongest classess and no one runs nimh they all run trakpower or maxamps lipo packs. Support our little hobby not wait for it to die just a thought
In other parts of the world, people run nimh more than Lipo. And also 4WD buggy is one of the smallest classes world wide. You have to consider team orion is preasent world wide not just in Northern California. A saddle pack would only be used in a 4WD buggy. there havn't been any other cars in years that use this type of battery. When orion introduces a new lipo pack, it fits almost every car on the market. If we were to make a saddle pack lipo, we would sell 1 saddle pack for every 100 regular packs. And to invest the same amount of money to develope a battery that would sell that little just isn't worth it.
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