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Old 07-24-2007, 03:29 PM   #1
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19T spec racing has really taken off as a popular class for trucks and buggies in the last few years. My question is how many people would like to start running a 19T 4wd class at big events? 4wd has grown in popluarity over the past few years with many new and very capable cars on the market and the class seems to be growing. I can see some people not wanting to compete with paid pro's at big events though and being there is usually only one 4wd class to run there are not a lot of choices. If you have a 4wd please voice your opinions on running a 19T 4wd class.

This class was run at the nats in place of stock 4wd and those that raced seemed to enjoy the class.

I am just thinking out loud here!
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Old 07-24-2007, 03:35 PM   #2
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As much fun as it is...

I hate to see another class of racing get watered down with more classes.

We could do like carpet and have stock, 19t, mod, Foam, Rubber, and Brushless.

Who wants to beat 7 people at a big race to boost an ego. As it stands now the 4wd mod class at big events is the largest and most competitive. Let's keep it that way.
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Stock should be the sportsman class. 19t is already turning into the new stock.
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Old 07-24-2007, 03:41 PM   #4
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I kind of guess that is my point. The class is huge and there are lots more people out there that would like to run them but may not want to run mod with the pro's. I agree there are a lot of classes out there but there is only one 4wd class! There are 3 2wd and 3 truck classes! Why not 2 4wd classes?

I do agree with you in that watering down classes is not good for the hobby and I do not think this is a good idea for club racing but for large events with 70+ 4wd entries it might not hurt to see if you can get 20+ to run a different class. I don't see the harm in that?
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I would love to run 19t 4wd at big events or even club racing. I like more the stock or 19t classes and obviously couldn't compete with the pros in mod class. So I'm left to race 2wd stock or 2wd 19t because most places don't run 19t 4wd. My bj4 worlds just sits here never getting used. So yes, i'd like to run 19t 4wd.

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4wd has always seemed like more of a class for the big boys anyways. I don't really see sportsman and 4wd going together. But thats just me.
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Old 07-24-2007, 03:58 PM   #7
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I could say the same for 2wd. Trucks are the true beginner class. Again the only reason I brought it up was due the increasing popularity of the class due in part to the variaty of competative cars on the market today.
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Old 07-24-2007, 04:02 PM   #8
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I agree. 2wd mod has always been the be all end all of racing. And thats why I'm starting my trip back into offroad in a truck lol
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Old 07-24-2007, 04:05 PM   #9
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My opinion on the matter is why dilute the field anymore. Id rather win the "E" main at big race than be in the 19t "A" main thats just me. I say ditch stock all together make it mod and 19t/4300/10.5. for all classes.
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I am up for it Casper...could use that class in the JBRL...
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I think it needs to stay the way it is. I would definatley rather be in the C or D main of a 4wd mod race if the 20-25 guys in front of me are all "pros". Look how light 19T 2wd was at the Shootout (although very competitive) There only what 18 entered (2 heats)? There were 6 heats of 2wd mod and 6 heats of 4wd mod. If there had been a 19t 4wd class then probably almost half of the 4wd mod class would have been gone.
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If it was upto me the classes at a big race would be:

Rookie/Beginner/Novice -Stock (truck and buggy together)
19T Buggy
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19T 4wd
Mod Buggy
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Mod 4wd

The stock class doesn't mean anything anymore. Most everyone travelling to a big race to run stock is running a 19t class too..

I see why Casper starter this thread... at the Shootout, there were several people who wanted to run 4wd, but whom did not have a Modified skill set. This made it difficult for the "Pros" to get through, and I know must have been frustrating for the "Joes" to be moving over every few turns. I think with almost 70 4wd entries at the Shootout and 90 at the Cactus, this is reasonable. Keep in mind, I don't think that stock buggy and 19t buggy TOTALLED 50....
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I think Casper has presented a really good point. There really isnt a stock 4wd...and people want to run something with power, so a 19T class is perfect. The upcoming JConcepts Clash will include 19t 4wd for that very reason.
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i am new to 4wd and love it. i would go to a big event and enter a 19t class, but i would not enter a mod class. my 2 cents
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It would be a good idea to include a 19 turn class at many big races. But to prevent what has happened in touring cars, the class should be called Sportsman 4wd, not 19T 4wd.

In TC, the 19T class is dominated by pros who race both 19T and modified. In off-road, with so many 4wd manufacturers, it is highly likely you would see pro drivers racing both 4wd classes. A perfect example could be the HB or Tamiya teams. With no 2wd cars, I would expect them to enter drivers like Hara and Amezcua in this 19T class to promote the cars they offer.

Kyosho has already begun to take electric off-road down a dark path by entering their pro drivers in the 2wd clases at the Nationals

So to prevent any future problems with pro drivers invading the class, call the class Sportsman 4wd. Manufacturers and their pro drivers will stay away.
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