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Old 07-25-2007, 10:45 AM   #46
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I don't see the point in limiting a sportsman class to a 19T motor. That's doing nothing other than forcing the people running it to spend more money on batts when they could just motor up and run older packs. Not to mention it's eliminating the use of brushess. If the point is to get away from running with the pros why add in motor limitations as well? If it wasn't for brushless I would've stayed completely nitro just like when I started. If a person can't tell their own limitations and choose a motor accordingly, they belong in whatever lower main they qualified for.
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I don't see the point in limiting a sportsman class to a 19T motor. That's doing nothing other than forcing the people running it to spend more money on batts when they could just motor up and run older packs. Not to mention it's eliminating the use of brushess. If the point is to get away from running with the pros why add in motor limitations as well? If it wasn't for brushless I would've stayed completely nitro just like when I started. If a person can't tell their own limitations and choose a motor accordingly, they belong in whatever lower main they qualified for.

I think a stock 4WD would wter them down TOO much. Ive only driven a 4WD once, but they looked SUPER hooked up, so a stock motor may be almost useless to them as a class. From what Ive read a 4WD is not necessarily a beginners car with all the maintenance they have, so a 19T class would be good.
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:56 AM   #48
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I only do club racing...don't give a crap about "big" races...so take this in that context:

One of the things I've always liked about the 4wd class is that it's generally an "open" class. It's almost assumed that you have total noobs and experts in the same class...and generally nobody complains about it. It's part of the deal.

It's like a class where the "club racing attitude" is really one of the unwritten rules. You're going to have to deal with people faster AND slower than you...you don't get to bitch about it.

It seems like most people have fun because it's not so high-stakes and you never know what kind of crazy shit is going to happen...LOL. You might see some spectacular driving...or spectacular crashes. Either way, it's the class I always want to run in and/or watch.
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:04 AM   #49
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I guess I'm like turbo joe and run mostly club races and some series races that go out of state, but none of the huge races like Casper is talking about. I just don't like classes where you have to have the best battery and be a mad motor scientist to run with the fast guys.

Maybe I'll go to Columbus this winter and experiance their big winter race so I can see first hand what ya'll are talking about.
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:31 AM   #50
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I think most of us are talking about big races. By all means at club races, I think there should be just one 4wd class..
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:43 AM   #51
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I could say the same for 2wd. Trucks are the true beginner class. Again the only reason I brought it up was due the increasing popularity of the class due in part to the variaty of competative cars on the market today.
Just asking.

Why would you say that trucks are the true beginner class?

I am new to this again, but when I bought my 10T in 1993 and then My T4 a couple of months ago, it was because I like trucks. Not because of a handy cap (as in golf) or because they are for beginner use. Buggys are faster and harder to control, so I am aware they could be considered - advanced driver.

As for mine I have the 7.5 Velocity with the GTB, Futaba Fasst 3pm, Team truck T4, w/ 4200 cell batteries, and I wouldnt consider that beginner, though I am not the best driver, my truck is sill faster than less equiped buggies. Yes if they were identical the buggy is quicker.


But are Trucks really beginner in the realm or RC?
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For club racing I feel that each individual track should make their own decisions on what is best for their racers and program.

But when it comes to big races, dont water down the competition so all the little T-ballers can go home with a trophy. Sign up for whatever class your car fits 2wd,4wd,truck, and whatever motor, stock or mod. Thats it.

If you get your A S S handed to you in 2wd stock, so be it. Dont complain and say the guys that beat you shouldnt be in that class. Their cars met the spec. They beat you cuz they are better, Either accept your skill level or work to improve it.
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But are Trucks really beginner in the realm or RC?
Yes, because they are the easiest electric offroad cars to drive.
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Old 07-25-2007, 12:12 PM   #54
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i dont see the point of there being a 19t class of either 2wheel or truck when there's already stock and modified. Honestly what is someone trying to say by running 19t? "I'm better than a stock racer but i dont want to run with the big boys". 19t is NOT that much slower than modified, if you can drive 19t and be fast you can drive modified and be fast as well.

If modified is under 19t and stock is above 19t then I would have to say 19t is closer to stock.

Personally I suck as a driver but 27t is almost a waste, just my .02 and I sometimes run a pro CO27 with 4200 batteries. 19t is just enough to be faster than stock, and more fun. But a 19t is no where near a modified.

You cant have a beginner and a pro class. That is silly. Pros would dominate and no one would enter. In the Beginner class the better drivers would always win, but would not be able to compete in mods.

The 19t class is just like AAA baseball. Your a good ball player, but not ready for the National League.

I feel that the 19t class is necessary and is a great transition, and learning curve for drivers to go from Beginner to advanced.
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Just asking.

Why would you say that trucks are the true beginner class?

I am new to this again, but when I bought my 10T in 1993 and then My T4 a couple of months ago, it was because I like trucks. Not because of a handy cap (as in golf) or because they are for beginner use. Buggys are faster and harder to control, so I am aware they could be considered - advanced driver.

As for mine I have the 7.5 Velocity with the GTB, Futaba Fasst 3pm, Team truck T4, w/ 4200 cell batteries, and I wouldnt consider that beginner, though I am not the best driver, my truck is sill faster than less equiped buggies. Yes if they were identical the buggy is quicker.


But are Trucks really beginner in the realm or RC?

Sorry I did not mean it to come off that way. Trucks are very competative and fun to drive and I think one of the harder classes as far as local competition. My point with trucks is they are wider, taller and more stable, thus they are easier for the beginner to intermediate driver to drive as they aford you to make more mistakes. Also with the large tires they take hits better and break less. Lets put it this way. You come into a store and ask what to get and you have never driven and R/C car before. I would recommend a truck with a stock motor and not a 4wd with a 9turn!
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Sorry I did not mean it to come off that way. Trucks are very competative and fun to drive and I think one of the harder classes as far as local competition. My point with trucks is they are wider, taller and more stable, thus they are easier for the beginner to intermediate driver to drive as they aford you to make more mistakes. Also with the large tires they take hits better and break less. Lets put it this way. You come into a store and ask what to get and you have never driven and R/C car before. I would recommend a truck with a stock motor and not a 4wd with a 9turn!

Thats cool. It didnt come off in a bad way. Especially with what you just said it makes more sence. Like I mentioned, though I have been around RC for a long time it was just personal fun and nothing more untill recently.

I am not a serious racer, I just throughly enjoy the hobby.

I mentioned this a little earilyer, not to you though, someone mentioned getting rid of the 19t class saying that it was, " I'm better than stock but cant hang with the modd class. That is one comment that I dont understand.

Like you said a new driver wouldnt get a buggy with a 9 turn, but how would a mod class be competitive when with 19t vs all the way down to 9t?

Just trying to make sence of it all.
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Good thread Casper!
Stock 4WD was ran last year at the Nationals. Not must interest was shown and the class was done away with at this years' Nationals.
Even here in Michgan you can see a renewed interest in 4WD. The amount of people racing it versus last year in our local series is probably double if not more.
We totally agree that Stock/19T/Mod Classes local, vs. Regional, vs. National are completely different.
It has been really interesting seeing everyones' view/opinions on the matter!

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It depends on who you are and your skill level. To be honest I am faster with a 19T then I am with a 13T!

I am a stock racer at heart. I love the class and like the slower speeds. Tires last longer and you break less.

Mod driving just takes more practice and time to learn throttle control. Super talented drivers (tebo, cav, truhe, robbers etc) are faster with more motor but I would say with the majority of the rest of use we run faster lap times with less motor.

Perfect example. This weekend at the shootout I was running the same lap times with 19T as I was with mod. I was running faster races with the 19T though due to less mistakes due to the slower motor. Going fast in mod is fun though! I am trying to step up my game and go mod but it is harder. Going fast in mod is harder then putting in more motor.

This is all kind of off topic but I don't mind talking about my opinions in all of that as well.
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I know it went off topic sorry about that.

I do appericate you taking the time to explain that to me, and not zinging out a one liner answer. It does make a lot more sense to me now, and I am realizing that I am actually slowed down by my faster motor.

That was a big help, thanks.
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No problem OC. I tend to like to ramble on!
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