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Old 09-15-2006, 02:11 PM   #61
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All the best to you Brian...you are one of my all time offroad heros...you rock beenie boy!!!
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Old 09-15-2006, 03:23 PM   #62
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Good to see you will be racing again Brian! Hodapp was fast with the X cars so no doubt you will be a force to be reckoned with.

On another note, most pro racers are independent contractors and do not receive any of the benefits that regular employees enjoy.

I am sure X-Factory values Brian as a driver and feel what they are paying is worth it. And the 401K, paid vacation, and health insurance can't be bad either!
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Old 09-15-2006, 03:31 PM   #63
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Back to topic

Good luck to BK and the Xfactory guys. Looking forward to reading about you guys and maybe some pics in the magazines.
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Old 09-15-2006, 03:34 PM   #64
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The company I work for has a retirement plan, but it didn't allow me to quit working when I was 32 years old.
It seems safe to say that if BK had a "regular" job, he would be out on sick leave/disablity. So I don't know where your comment comes from.
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Actually I think that Brian is closer to 40 isn't he?

I believe BK is 32 or 33 now.
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wow, I'm kind of shocked at this turn of events. I understand that as a business Losi was well within their rights and did what was best for them. That doesn't mean we can't disagree. I mean the initials BK were eteched into every kid coming up, every wanna be pro racer, every person who ever had an opportunity to drive on the same track as him. He was a professional in every way. Does this mean that Losi/Horizon must pull everything off the shelves that has his initials on it? Granted most of his product line was through Trinity but I'm sure you still get my point.

Brian, I hope you get better. Take my advice....shift gears and just focus on having fun...you have already accomplished more than just about every human in this business has. Now it's time for you to do what makes you happy.

Todd I'm sure that none of us will ever know all the details and nor should we. I personally have no reason to think you would be lying about Losi keeping Brian on for the time he wasn't racing, and that was a stand up thing by Losi.

just my 1 cent....since I'm only half as smart as most of you
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It seems safe to say that if BK had a "regular" job, he would be out on sick leave/disablity. So I don't know where your comment comes from.
The best point made so far!

It is crazy to me that the drivers who are so sought after, are not taken care of in at LEAST the same way as a "normal" employee. Especially one like Kinwald who was so loyal and valuable. He made those companies more money than any of the "normal" employees could ever dream of.

It looks like I have upset a couple of people. I will not apologize for my comments but I will say that I am very dissapointed to see some companies just turn their backs this guy that gave them so much. I guess in the end it is all just business, all friendships aside.
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Old 09-15-2006, 04:10 PM   #68
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Then they should have negotiated a better contract.
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Old 09-15-2006, 04:12 PM   #69
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It seems safe to say that if BK had a "regular" job, he would be out on sick leave/disablity. So I don't know where your comment comes from.
My comment was in response to Hodapp's post about how poorly Losi treated Brian. He specifically mentioned a retirement plan, and I was just pointing out that a retirement plan doesn't really apply to people in thier early 30's.

You're absolutely right. If Brian is not able to race because of health problems, he should be on sick leave/disability. That makes it an insurance issue, and not Losi's responsibility.
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I guess so.
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I think neglected factory drivers should leave their teams and focus on being porn stars. Their compensation plan is much more reasonable
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It is crazy to me that the drivers who are so sought after, are not taken care of in at LEAST the same way as a "normal" employee. Especially one like Kinwald who was so loyal and valuable. He made those companies more money than any of the "normal" employees could ever dream of.
Sorry Greg but you are totally wrong there. He was compensated for his efforts as was contracted. If he wanted to make all the money ,than he should have started his own company.

It bothers the heck out of me when employees think they should get(just generalizing here, not directed at Bk at all) anything above and beyond their paychecks.You work for a paycheck, period.If the company or product you design does poorly, do you take the loss? It can't be a one way street.
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Nice point.

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This is what I fine sad.

Kinwald has health problems.

Why do we know this?
Well mostly because he hasn't been racing, but I had heard about this even back when he was with associated.

If I was sick, personally I wouldnt want everyone knowing I was sick, I would deal with it the best I could but it's none of your business. I'm sorry that his private life gets drug around the internet. It's sad really.

As for the people hating on losi for realeasing Kinwald. Maybe you should take into account, Losi took a chance on Kinwald by paying him in the first place despite knowing there were possibilities he may miss major events due to health.
Brian did a great job representing Losi for all those years, that is unquestionable!
Losi has more then got there moneys worth out of there investment.
Losi has clearly been restructuring to remain competitive in the market, they do the best they can to put a good product on a race track.
I can assume kinwalds money can now be re-invested into a new driver or new stable of drivers, who knows.

Kinwald will always be linked with losi no matter what, he's literly a legend in R/C.
I always think its funny that associateds L in rc10L stands for Losi, named after gil losi, so to me losi and associated will always be linked.

I would just like to say I wish Kinwald the best of luck with his health although its none of my business. What you do in life in meaningless without your health, racing is not as important as living, although I'm sure a few would argue that point.
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I do find the discussion about health care for paid drivers interesting.

Curious to know what paid drivers recieve health care through there employer?

maybe a new thread should be started.
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