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Old 05-19-2006, 06:50 AM   #16
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if tamiya can build one, why cant associated ??
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Old 05-19-2006, 08:57 AM   #17
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tamiya always comes up with a great finished product weather it
is a radical design from the norm or a basic layout ie. yokomo.
I guess it just confirms that the yoke has one of the best drivetrain
and configuration or tamiya wouldn't waste thier time doing a similar layout.


I hope tamiya joining 4 wheel buggy will bring this class back to the main stream.
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Old 05-19-2006, 09:23 AM   #18
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if tamiya can build one, why cant associated ??
Because Jconcepts already is building it for them. They get to sell J-Concepts the OEM parts and they sell consumers the replacement parts and they do it all without spending a cent on new development or marketing. Associated it probably pretty happy with that arrangement.
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Old 05-19-2006, 04:40 PM   #19
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if tamiya can build one, why cant associated ??
word from AE is they are going to be working on one soon!

david- jconcepts has no affiliation with AE except selling them OEM parts
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The car looks great, in spite of similarities of others. For me it's a pity coz as a younger lad I loved my Tamiya's (Wild Willy, Hot Shot, Falcon... never had the Sand Scorcher or Audi Quattro but thought they were sick!!) but when I got back into this sport last year, I got a Gravel Hound, Xanavi Nismo TT-01 and a Raybrig TB-02 and the Gravel Hound was too weak, breaking chassis and shock towers left, right and center... Plus no 2WD competition car... I went to Associated and have 2 FT B4's, 2 FT TC4's, 18T and B and am on the waiting list for BJ4 WE.

I hate to see Associated beaten but if it was by Tamiya, I think I could be happy with that. Good luck to em eh?
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Drivetrain is similar to the new Yokomo - hardly "directly off the Yok"

And it IS an all-new car for them.

did you forget to put yours on?

the only difference i can see (apart from the shape of the alloy housings and the shade of blue) is the longer centre shaft on the bx. pretty close to "direct".
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did you forget to put yours on?

the only difference i can see (apart from the shape of the alloy housings and the shade of blue) is the longer centre shaft on the bx. pretty close to "direct".

I agree with you jelly...it's a blatant Yokomo copy except for minor details....Wonder if this is design by Tamiya..as we all know that Tamiya's top racers like the 414 and 415 were not designed by them..the 414 is a Team Atlas design and the 415 is a Tech Racing design....as for 4wd buggies..Tamiya never really made any impact...back in the 1980's and early 1990's they had the Avante and Egress..both were over engineered cars that could never really compete with Yokomo, Kyosho, Schumacher....the best 4wd they had was the Top Force...it performed better than the Avante and the Egress...
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the only difference i can see (apart from the shape of the alloy housings and the shade of blue) is the longer centre shaft on the bx. pretty close to "direct".
The original poster said:

"the drivetrain is directly off the Yok with out any changes"

This is clearly incorrect, as you yourself have pointed out.

Is it so hard for people to actually look closely at a product before making wild statements about it?
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Old 05-20-2006, 07:30 AM   #24
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bender- why do you defend tamyia sooo fercely(sp)??? i just made a comment and you got all pissed. so what if it looks like a Yok, i care because its not right how it looks almost the same with minor details changed. it looks like Tamiya just borrowed parts off other cars, BJ4 and Yok. if Tamiya is just as good as you say then why dont they design their own car??
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Sounds like the same BS clone arguments that have been going on forever. If parts look similar, its because they work. To make something that looks very different, but doesnt work, what woudl be the point. Go Tamiya.

PS, the question about the Dark Impact, there is a full option DI coming as well. RCCA has a good thread about both cars.
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The only thing these two cars have in common is they both have lost of CF, and teh motor is in similar spots. Stop the BS clone accusations right now, and look at the pictures.



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ok i admit i jumped the gun but there are more common things than just cabon fiber and the motor. the shocks look the same, top deck is pretty similar, steering is almost the same but with some differences.
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Perhaps you should read your post before you hit post.

"pretty similar, and almost the same" Give your head a shake man.

Steering is backwards on the Yokomo, and the Tamiya has a ally steering arm

Shocks, the caps on the Yok are hex in appearance, the Tamiya is round.

The belt is above the upper plate on the Tamyia, below on the Yok.

This is like comparing any 8 scale buggy and saying they look the same. Give your head a shake please.
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You guys have to understand...THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE DO ON THE MESSAGE BOARDS!!!

Once a thread for new car comes up, ANY CAR, there are always people that fly to it as quickly as possible just so they can be the first to scream "thats a copy of XXXXX car".

Before getting the facts, before looking at any clear pics, before having any real knowledge, they open their mouths and firmly insert their foot.

Doesn't matter what class of car it is, doesn't matter if its off-road or on-road, ANY thread that shows a new car will eventually get some people who can't wait to call it a clone of 'something', just so they can be the first to say it. Its gonna happen, so don't let it bother you because:

1. They don't know what they are talking about...we know it....they know it

2. As rcdude19641 clearly showed, even when they are proved wrong, they wont admit it.

3. Lastly, I have YET to see one case EVER, where one car was a complete copy of another. (The closest I ever saw was the Kyosho V-0ne and the Trinity Reflex. And even those two had differences.)

So don't let that stuff bother you guys. The car looks great, just enjoy it.

Thanks to Muswagon for throwing up those pics and showing proof. Thats the best way to put a stop to that non-sense.
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ok i admit i jumped the gun but there are more common things than just cabon fiber...

Yeah, like they both have 4 wheels, two belts, a spur gear, oh oh oh, and they use saddle packs....

You wonder why people get pissed, its not because they're defending Tamiya in particular, its because board member in general are sick of having people scream "clone" EVERY SINGLE TIME any car comes out.

Especially when its NEVER correct. I mean Schumacher had a 4wd that used saddle packs and a mid motor based off their Axis car, does that mean the Yokomo was a clone of that? Of course not.

I just don't get why people feel the need to constantly complain about one car looking like another. Who cares. Unless someone is infringing on a copy right YOU own, why would you even care?
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