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Old 03-23-2006, 03:42 PM   #1
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alright i am about to go darkside and actually get a truggy. they look like a riot with a lil less maintanence than 1/8(i hope)

my question for you nitro guys out there. i am down to two choices, the jammin crt kit with adding the lunsfords, z-brace, one piece motor mount etc or wait another week or two for the kyosho to come out.

i know of kyosho's reputation and the new truck looks sweeeet. cost isnt the issue intially. but the question i have is about parts availibility, durability, etc....

which one is recommended and please dont say either, lets hear the opinions and why.

1 thing i heard is that jammin parts are cheaper and more readily available.
2 i know kyosho doesnt have parts yet for the truck out, but would it be less avail and much more as far as costs.

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Old 03-23-2006, 07:37 PM   #2
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I would go with the Jammin. The Kyosho still has phillips head screws,
E-clips, and if it is like the SP2 it will not come with tires. The Jammin parts are cheap and available everywhere. It is also a proven winner. The Kyosho no doubt will be a great truck but it is so new that it might still have some bugs to be worked out. Just my opinion.
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Old 03-23-2006, 09:28 PM   #3
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Order the tony screw set now and then wait a week for the kyosho str I think that the plastic is way better on the kyosho cars
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:07 AM   #4
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You cannot go wrong with the Kyosho quality. It is probably the best on the market. The philips screw stink, but yeah either rc-screwz or Tony's Screws kits are awesome and will solve the philips problem. The eclip hinge pins does kind of stink but shoe goo fixes this problem or you can use the K-Factory hinge pin set which eliminates the eclips. But it is very hard to overlook this based on those two small and I mean very small issues. Other then that the diffs are awesome, don't leak, shocks are super smooth and do not have issues with leaking or blowing out seals.

Must also remember that the 777 had an excellent showing at the worlds on pretty much its first outing.

With Kyosho America now up and running parts support just got alot easier and more readily available.

Also Pavidis did win with the MP777ST-R on its maiden voyage out at The Dirt.

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Vic, you can't go wrong with either, but the Jammin has many problems racers are finding. Try scooting over to http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/in...showtopic=1997 they have a forum section on both Trucks. Lots of stuff, but there are fixes since the truck is popular thankfully.

I know you'll see more Parts support for the Jammin all over in Michigan, but DB's and Larry's might step up the Kyosho support soon.
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Also Pavidis did win with the MP777ST-R on its maiden voyage out at The Dirt.
Thanks to whats being called a "questionable pass" on Maifeild's TTR ST-1.
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Vic go with the jammin.
I'll bring my jammin buggy to the pro race next weekend so you can check it out.
THe truckis pretty much the same with different geometry.
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CRASH - The 777 has never won the worlds. The 7.5/Kanai series won a couple.

vic0280 - You should also consider the TTR ST-1. It is an RTR but comes with full universals and racing brakes. No e-clips and all hex head screws and should cost about the same as the Jammin but will include a decent TTR .28 engine, AM radio, and high torque servos. Note that it finished 2nd at Hemet to the STR truggy although Saxton's TTR was reportedly unbeatable until it broke.
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You are correct I stand corrected, the Mugen won that year. My bad.

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i would recomned not get the rc screwz kit, they are very soft, and strip and bend very easily, go with the tony screws or the hexcrews kit,

for where i live between those two, i would get the jammin because parts would be easier to get, but i think the kyosho is probally a better truck, but i can't get parts for them, so its not woerth getting for me, but i personally have a ST-1, and i'm very happy with it too, they are all good trucks thgouh,
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Kyosho parts will be readily available for the ST-R right after the truck hits the hobbyshop shelves. Many are shared from the 777 so you can get things like knuckles, aftermarket hinge pins, etc.

Online shops like Amainhobbies , Carolina's R/C and RC Buggy Shop will have all the parts readily available only 2 days shipped away.

I drive a Mugen MSR X5T with my own Long Arm Conversion Kit, but I really like the new Kyosho ST-R. They re-geared the front and rear diffs so that it uses a smaller, low CG spur gear in the center. I don't like the large 62T spur gears and think it affects performance. The TTR ST-1 is also correctly geared. With a smaller spur gear, the motor is closer to the center as well. When I re-geared my MSR X5T to use a 51T spur gear, I noticed a huge difference in handling with the lower CG and motor more centered. On the Kyosho ST-R, it comes stock with a 50T spur, but you can use the optional 52T or even the 46T and 48T buggy spurs. So lots of gearing options.

The Kyosho also offers an optional set of axles that step down to a 6mm axle and have a 14mm hex. For guys running these 14mm wheels on their T-Maxx, Revo, Savage, etc.. this is a nice option to be able to still utilize all those wheels and tires that they spent BIG $$$ on.

I also think the Kyosho will be much more durable. Kyosho and Mugen both have very durable plastics.
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does anyone think that the ofna wheels would fit the kyosho, or different offset. just curious because i know ofna wheels are lot less expensive than kyosho or proline..
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Vic,

Kyosho 777 ST-R uses a normal 17mm hex. Sotck the 777 ST-R uses a 0 offset wheel. You can certainly use the wider Jammin width ones no problem. You will add width so it may or may not be desirable.

Also Thunder Tiger has 2 offsets, the stock one is basically 0 offset like the stock Kyosho ST-R. And the wide ones which are the same as the Jammin. Ofna's Jammin offset is 1/2" per wheel, same as the TTR Wide offsets. The TTR ones are even cheaper than the Jammin ones if I remember right.
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Also the HPI Hellfire uses a standard offset 17mm wheel. If I had a ST-R or ST-1, I'd definitely have a set of those HPI Nubz on 17mm standard offset wheels in my tire arsenal.

On my MSR X5T Long Arm Conversion, I can only run the CRT/ST-1 28mm offset wheels. But DaceMfg and KMW Racing are both making 17mm extended wheel hex hubs so I can run these non-offset wheels with the adapter, or run the truck wider with 28mm offset rims.
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