Originally Posted by billdelong

Curious what "pretty far out of spec" means to you?

Originally Posted by BRSracing

I read SMC is doing away with making motors..........

Originally Posted by zipperfoot

Sounds like these motors are popular because they run a little hotter than a ROAR approved and spec'd motor. Wouldn't that be considered an unfair advantage sort of like pushing batteries to the extreme and running them at higher voltages? Are people looking for a way to side step the rules? Or am I totally missing the point?

Originally Posted by billdelong

The Punisher motors help level the playing field so folks can buy a $75 motor that is comparable to a $150 Team Motor, this allows the Average Joe's access to similar performance gear without having to get a sponsorship, it helps end the motor wars while still allowing the sponsored drivers to continue running their high end brand motor without violating their contract. When their is a big ROAR event, then the motors must be ROAR spec, where presumably the Average Joe's don't typically run the big races.

Originally Posted by Funkydrummer1

The only reason for running an outlaw motor is club racing

Originally Posted by billdelong

this is basically what I said, outlaw motors are not for most big events, typically a ROAR sanctioned event... most pros attend club races too. Anyone who is a sponsored driver for a competing brand will not support the outlaw motors because they will want to maintain the advantage they have with having access to a "Team Motor" which is not available to the public, simple as that. Many clubs recognize this problem which is why they allow the outlaw motors to help level the playing field and keep costs lower.

Originally Posted by zipperfoot

I don't know about anyone else but the Pros I've raced against in the past during club races ran circles around me. Literally lapped me during the race. I remember years back a local Pro entered a Mod buggy race with a 17.5 and blew away the field. (Hint... it's not the motor). It's going to take more than an outlaw motor to hang with a pro.

That is why I feel the few who used these outlaw motors did so just to gain an advantage over their local club racing brothers and sisters.

Now they all use them... so they form a special class for the outlaw motors? Too funny. In reality we are back to where we started, competing against each other on equal terms even if it's not ROAR approved.

Originally Posted by billdelong

There are varying levels of pro drivers out there, I'm talking about the bottom tier pro's who get a nominal discount, some might call these "fake sponsorships", these are guys that are definitely fast guys, but are not going to keep up with elite drivers that are world class ranked. Not uncommon to see many Average Joe's in my area without any sponsorship to run a Punisher and beat many local pros (at the lower level) and it's not that the Punisher is any faster than the name brand Team Driver motor they are running, the Punisher motor gets their cars to run equally as fast as the pro drivers ROAR legal motor, that's the point you two are missing.

Originally Posted by RazorRC

Originally Posted by zipperfoot

So you are buying a specific motor just to beat a small group of so called "bottom tier pros"? What about all of your fellow racers that are sticking to approved motors and playing by the rules? My question is why would you want to run in a spec'd class just to find a way to gain an unfair advantage? Big deal the guy with the "fake sponsorship" is getting better motors, so what? If it's ROAR approved, it's technically within spec. Those running non conforming motors should be placed in the mod class. Just because one motor costs more than another should not be an excuse to circumvent rules.

Just my opinion. To me the whole point of racing in a spec'd class is to test my skills against other drivers using the same equipment.

There are many waist look at this. For example, I like my MT44 radio better than any other radio. I could buy just about any radio I wanted and have tried many, but I choose to run a "Lower tier radio". Does that give the other guy with a $700 radio an advantage? Maybe. In fact what if one brand of buggy handles better than another brand, does that mean the other guy has an unfair advantage? If a kit comes with all bling parts to make it stand out, does that mean it's unfair to the person who buys the standard kit? I think if you are going to run a spec'd class, stay within spec.